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Do GM make anything that stands out in any particular area?
Some car makers/brands are fast, others stylish, others handle well, others are dull but work for ever, some are dirt cheap and others have all the latest gadgets and gizmos, but Vauxhall/GM seem to have no stand out qualities.
Over to the panel.
Some car makers/brands are fast, others stylish, others handle well, others are dull but work for ever, some are dirt cheap and others have all the latest gadgets and gizmos, but Vauxhall/GM seem to have no stand out qualities.
Over to the panel.
General Motors owns many different brands which cater variously to buyers seeking value, performance, tech, luxury. Not sure what you mean by "stand out cars", but some GM products are highly regarded by buyers and the motoring press.
They're no different to VAG in many ways - a diverse portfolio of brands, mostly white goods cars, some rated more highly than others.
They're no different to VAG in many ways - a diverse portfolio of brands, mostly white goods cars, some rated more highly than others.
Codswallop said:
General Motors owns many different brands which cater variously to buyers seeking value, performance, tech, luxury. Not sure what you mean by "stand out cars", but some GM products are highly regarded by buyers and the motoring press.
They're no different to VAG in many ways - a diverse portfolio of brands, mostly white goods cars, some rated more highly than others.
So why would you buy a Corsa, Astra or Insignia over any of their competitors? What areas do those 3 products stand out in? They're no different to VAG in many ways - a diverse portfolio of brands, mostly white goods cars, some rated more highly than others.
While it might not be everyone's cup of tea this thread is s
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Yeah lots of cars are better lots of cars worse. Big company GM make lots of cars for lots of people. New ZX6 corvette shows a new 911 gt3 a trick of two according to latest evo mag. Ampera won a few awards and in more recent driver power survey vauxhall came better placed than audi,vw,bmw and licked ford. Most successful touring car team, sponsor of national football team.
te. Yeah lots of cars are better lots of cars worse. Big company GM make lots of cars for lots of people. New ZX6 corvette shows a new 911 gt3 a trick of two according to latest evo mag. Ampera won a few awards and in more recent driver power survey vauxhall came better placed than audi,vw,bmw and licked ford. Most successful touring car team, sponsor of national football team.
Willy Nilly said:
So why would you buy a Corsa, Astra or Insignia over any of their competitors? What areas do those 3 products stand out in?
Well, my mum bought a Corsa because it was:1) Well priced
2) well equipped (heated steering wheel!)
3) Look nice
4) Was easy to drive
5) Smooth and comfortable
6) Good local dealer
7) She preferred it to rival offerings from VW, Ford, Fiat, Citroen...
Question for you - why have you decided to create an argumentative post about one particular brand? You start out asking about GM, and very quickly turn to Vauxhall bashing.
H100S said:
While it might not be everyone's cup of tea this thread is ste.
Yeah lots of cars are better lots of cars worse. Big company GM make lots of cars for lots of people. New ZX6 corvette shows a new 911 gt3 a trick of two according to latest evo mag. Ampera won a few awards and in more recent driver power survey vauxhall came better placed than audi,vw,bmw and licked ford. Most successful touring car team, sponsor of national football team.
So why would you buy an Astra over a Focus, Golf, Auris, Cee'd etc? te. Yeah lots of cars are better lots of cars worse. Big company GM make lots of cars for lots of people. New ZX6 corvette shows a new 911 gt3 a trick of two according to latest evo mag. Ampera won a few awards and in more recent driver power survey vauxhall came better placed than audi,vw,bmw and licked ford. Most successful touring car team, sponsor of national football team.
Codswallop said:
Question for you - why have you decided to create an argumentative post about one particular brand?
GM is or was basically bankrupt and Vauxhall is GM brand in the UK. They seem to sell a lot to fleet buyers, so why would I as a private buyer go for a Vauxhall over their competitors? If I want a good steer, I'd get a Ford, if I wanted a reliable car something from the far east would be the way forward. German cars tend to lead the technical innovations. Kia/Hyundia offer long warranties, Dacia are dirt cheap, so where does Vauxhall fit in? Willy Nilly said:
GM is or was basically bankrupt and Vauxhall is GM brand in the UK. They seem to sell a lot to fleet buyers, so why would I as a private buyer go for a Vauxhall over their competitors?
I gave you a list of reasons above for why a person may choose a GM product over something else. Please do continue to ignore the fact that people have different priorities and preferences.Willy Nilly said:
If I want a good steer, I'd get a Ford
That's mostly magazine hyperbole - mainstream Fords are not that different to most other class comparable cars. My dad has a new shape Mondeo. The brakes are woefully over servoed compared to mum's Corsa's brakes IMO. Something like an Insignia offers a more comfortable ride and better wind noise suppression by comparison to the Mondeo, which is more relevant for that sector for me.Willy Nilly said:
if I wanted a reliable car something from the far east would be the way forward.
In my experience, jap cars rust more than European ones. Not a scientific fact, but my personal observation.Willy Nilly said:
German cars tend to lead the technical innovations.
In certain sectors perhaps. GM brought plenty of tech too, starting with the first ignition key, through to more recently magnetically controlled dampers which are now being adopted across the industry.Willy Nilly said:
Kia/Hyundia offer long warranties, Dacia are dirt cheap, so where does Vauxhall fit in?
No point discussing something with an individual who is stubborn and steadfast in their beliefs in this case.I like that there is the choice in the automotive sector.
I don't care about boring econoboxes, but GM does some fantastic cars.
Corvette - just fabulous, so much car for the money.
Camaro - still a better car than the new Mustang. The gen6 will destroy it.
Cadillac ATS and CTS both seem pretty nice every day cars. The ATSV and CTSV look like being fantastic, and the last generation CTSV was bloody brilliant.
Monaro / Chevy SS are good fun, sledgehammer engine in a great FR platform, and nice mile munchers
GMC / Chevy trucks are IMO the best of the heavy duty / 2500s, and a damn sight better than ford in the 1500 class.
Chevy Volt is a great EV, not my favorite but for the money its a good bland car.
Corvette - just fabulous, so much car for the money.
Camaro - still a better car than the new Mustang. The gen6 will destroy it.
Cadillac ATS and CTS both seem pretty nice every day cars. The ATSV and CTSV look like being fantastic, and the last generation CTSV was bloody brilliant.
Monaro / Chevy SS are good fun, sledgehammer engine in a great FR platform, and nice mile munchers
GMC / Chevy trucks are IMO the best of the heavy duty / 2500s, and a damn sight better than ford in the 1500 class.
Chevy Volt is a great EV, not my favorite but for the money its a good bland car.
Quite a bizarre thread this. I'd maybe be a bit more biased than most but I never really get the Vauxhall bashing, maybe the Clarkson effect?
Anyway IME they've generally been decent enough cars, no more unreliable than anything else I've experienced. I'm probably not the only one who thinks so either, the Corsa is/was the best selling car in the UK IIRC with the Astra not far behind.
Anyway IME they've generally been decent enough cars, no more unreliable than anything else I've experienced. I'm probably not the only one who thinks so either, the Corsa is/was the best selling car in the UK IIRC with the Astra not far behind.
Willy Nilly said:
H100S said:
While it might not be everyone's cup of tea this thread is ste.
Yeah lots of cars are better lots of cars worse. Big company GM make lots of cars for lots of people. New ZX6 corvette shows a new 911 gt3 a trick of two according to latest evo mag. Ampera won a few awards and in more recent driver power survey vauxhall came better placed than audi,vw,bmw and licked ford. Most successful touring car team, sponsor of national football team.
So why would you buy an Astra over a Focus, Golf, Auris, Cee'd etc? te. Yeah lots of cars are better lots of cars worse. Big company GM make lots of cars for lots of people. New ZX6 corvette shows a new 911 gt3 a trick of two according to latest evo mag. Ampera won a few awards and in more recent driver power survey vauxhall came better placed than audi,vw,bmw and licked ford. Most successful touring car team, sponsor of national football team.
The reality is that any mid sized hatch out there is little better or worse than any other.
They all cost and depreciate too much and are stuffed full of technology that is not needed and/or is unreliable.
Willy Nilly said:
If I want a good steer, I'd get a Ford
I see lots of comments like this about econoboxes and I just don't get it. We see it in reviews as well, lots of detail and discussion on the finer points of the handling of a 1.6 Focus vs Golf or Civic vs A3 and so on - why does it matter ? 98% of people that own these cars are never going to press the limits of the car on the road as they pop to Tesco or whatever. I very much doubt there is a car on the road today that is anything other than completely competent as a daily driver/runabout.In agreement with Lugy cant understand the Vauxhall bashing, Over the years Ive owned in excess of 80 cars of numerous makes and models, Vauxhall are no better or worse than any of the other mainstream makes. Clarkson has continually slated the Vectra but look how many of them are on the road, a perfectly good everyday family car. I owned a Mondeo diesel immediately followed by a Vectra diesel and there was really nothing to choose between the two apart from my own personal preference which is slightly biased towards Vauxhall while my wife was the other way and just preferred the Ford.
There are what car? threads on here about 3 times per week and nobody ever says buy a Vauxhall, so why is this is what I'm getting at?
Is it marketing, is it the products? I bought my Jazz this time last year, because I wanted a small, practical reliable car and never gave a Corsa a second thought, what have I missed out on? What are all the people that bought Golfs missing that an Astra offers?
On any company car thread, everyone wants a German car because they are a bit aspirational, once in a while people will say a Mondeo is acutally a better car than a 3 Series, but nobody ever says they should get an Insignia in that sector.
It's not Vauxhall/GM bashing on my part, I'm just interested where they fit in, because it seems to me they are in no mans land in a land where we are spoiled for choice.
Is it marketing, is it the products? I bought my Jazz this time last year, because I wanted a small, practical reliable car and never gave a Corsa a second thought, what have I missed out on? What are all the people that bought Golfs missing that an Astra offers?
On any company car thread, everyone wants a German car because they are a bit aspirational, once in a while people will say a Mondeo is acutally a better car than a 3 Series, but nobody ever says they should get an Insignia in that sector.
It's not Vauxhall/GM bashing on my part, I'm just interested where they fit in, because it seems to me they are in no mans land in a land where we are spoiled for choice.
Willy Nilly said:
There are what car? threads on here about 3 times per week and nobody ever says buy a Vauxhall, so why is this is what I'm getting at?
Demographic - PH isn't Vauxhall's.They (mostly) do mundane, high-volume cars that don't really excel anywhere (and in my not-very-experienced opinion, are terrible in some places); the cars that break that mold like the VX220, Lotus Carlton (obvious assistance in those cases), Monaro/VXR8 do get discussed and are generally well liked. Expanding into the rest of GM, Camaro, Corvette, CTS-V, Maloo also tend to get praise from what I've read.
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