RE: Porsche Cayman GT4: Review
Discussion
HokumPokum said:
Dan,
were there any steel braked Gt4s on the venue and did you get to try them vs the PCCB equipped cars.
I have a 7.2RS and understand how the PCCBs feel but never had the opportunity to try a steel braked car. Does pedal feel improve? and do they make H&T on the road easier?
I'm able to H&T on the PCCB equipped RS, it just takes a more concerted effort to be gentle. But, as you say, no problems on track.
Hi there, were there any steel braked Gt4s on the venue and did you get to try them vs the PCCB equipped cars.
I have a 7.2RS and understand how the PCCBs feel but never had the opportunity to try a steel braked car. Does pedal feel improve? and do they make H&T on the road easier?
I'm able to H&T on the PCCB equipped RS, it just takes a more concerted effort to be gentle. But, as you say, no problems on track.
Yes, they had both for us to try (are you listening BMW?!) and you're right, the initial bite of the steel brakes is a little easier to modulate than PCCBs at road speed. They seemed to have plenty of power on the track too, though they were making some pretty loud clicks and clunks once back in the pits! Never any sense of the pedal going long though, which is just as well given Portimao has at least two very big stops with steep downhill braking zones. Great track by the way!
In summary then if the car were only offered with the steel brakes I don't think you'd hear anyone complaining.
PCCBs do have a slightly grabbier initial pedal feel and feel like they pull up harder but, frankly, at £5K they're over a grand less than BMW charges for ceramics on the M3/M4 and I expect most people will tick the box as a reflex action. I'd argue it's not an essential option though and if it were one or the other would go for the Clubsport/carbon seats and leave the standard brakes, even if you're serious about tracking it. Given the cornering speeds the car will carry it's not like you're having to haul it up to a standstill just to get it to turn in either, which should take a bit of pressure off them.
If you're accustomed to PCCBs on your RS (nice...) then you'll know what you're getting. I'd be happy with the steelies though!
Hope that helps!
Dan
WCZ said:
nice. how much are the 918 seats? pretty much a must have imo
The optional full-carbon bucket seats (as fitted to the GT3 RS?). 
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/cayman/cayman-gt4...
Sport Seats Plus:
Sports seats Plus (2-way, electric)
£ 0.00
Adaptive Sports seats Plus (18-way, electric)
£ 923.00
Lightweight Bucket Seats:
Full bucket seats
£ 1,907.00
WCZ said:
nice. how much are the 918 seats? pretty much a must have imo
Hi there, Our previous 'by the numbers' story has all the options prices in it, or you can go on the Porsche configurator and see for yourself. The short answer is £1,907 and you'll need them if you want the Clubsport pack, which is an additional £2,670.
Cheers,
Dan
m5touringv10 said:
Krikkit said:
Sounds like it needs a shorter final drive to give it some more B-road personality, but it sounds like a very intoxicating package indeed. 
Is it not flawed as a road car with those gear ratios. What's the point in a manual if you hardly require changing gear?Preuninger said:
likes a long second gear that'll stretch to over 80mph for the kind of typical overtakes you'd perform on the public road.
Eh?Excluding boring motorways and dual carriage ways, the only gear you can hit the red line in without risking your license is 1st. I find 64mph in 2nd at 9000rpm in my car too high. Most of the unclassified roads I enjoy would have to be in 1st!
What they are saying is that the only way to enjoy this car is by breaking the law. Even if I could afford one, I wouldn't purely because of the gearing.
soad said:
Unfortunately they can't up production to more than 2000 cars globally per year - that's the limits of the production line.
At a 25k mark-up on what is a profitable 40k car they must be making like bandits on this - I can't imagine that the increment in build costs from the entry level car is anywhere near that. I'd have thought they could lose some build slots for 2.7 Caymans to sell more of these things.Oz83 said:
"Preuninger tells us he likes a long second gear that'll stretch to over 80mph for the kind of typical overtakes you'd perform on the public road"
Whats wrong with overtaking in 3rd gear? Is he aware of speed limits?
I guess the problem is that in most cars, 2nd is too short and 3rd is too long for optimum overtaking reach. The Porsche answer is a long 2nd that covers this range. The JDM answer (coming from a country with low speed limits and mandatory 112mph limiters) is a short 3rd - my RX-7 pulls hard in third from a sub-40mph bimble through to about 85mph, perfect for passing Sunday drivers.Whats wrong with overtaking in 3rd gear? Is he aware of speed limits?
Personally I think that a short 3rd makes most sense on UK roads, and would think having six speeds would make this even more so. Any Germans care to support the Porsche approach? Maybe having unrestricted autobahns makes it useful to have more longer ratios?
alock said:
Preuninger said:
likes a long second gear that'll stretch to over 80mph for the kind of typical overtakes you'd perform on the public road.
Eh?Excluding boring motorways and dual carriage ways, the only gear you can hit the red line in without risking your license is 1st. I find 64mph in 2nd at 9000rpm in my car too high. Most of the unclassified roads I enjoy would have to be in 1st!
What they are saying is that the only way to enjoy this car is by breaking the law. Even if I could afford one, I wouldn't purely because of the gearing.
otolith said:
At a 25k mark-up on what is a profitable 40k car they must be making like bandits on this - I can't imagine that the increment in build costs from the entry level car is anywhere near that.
did you see the Harris video should all the bespoke frame, suspension etc? Plus they have to recover the additional R&D and testing for what is a low build model, but yes it will be profitableAdam B said:
otolith said:
At a 25k mark-up on what is a profitable 40k car they must be making like bandits on this - I can't imagine that the increment in build costs from the entry level car is anywhere near that.
did you see the Harris video should all the bespoke frame, suspension etc? Plus they have to recover the additional R&D and testing for what is a low build model, but yes it will be profitablemattyc69 said:
But only about 100 people in the country will get one and half of them will be put in a garage a never used so as to make money on them in 5 years. What a waste why not build more.
I think they've got it pretty much spot on with the GT brand. Most of these where sold with on the basis that the previous 911 incarnations where kept to limited numbers and are ultra desirable. A halo range topper like this, at such a reasonable price, will create buzz around the Cayman itself and drive sales into the more profitable assembly line cars.
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