RE: Porsche Cayman GT4: Review
Discussion
From Chris Harris's Goodwood GT4 review:
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
Sounds like it really is de-tuned after all.
Anyone thinking of paying over the odds for one of these really should drive one first.
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
Sounds like it really is de-tuned after all.
Anyone thinking of paying over the odds for one of these really should drive one first.
Richyboy said:
I was so happy reading that, then 80 in second wtf. Why not give it a PDK and leave the manual with short ratios for the RS version.
Because there won't be an RS Version.The GT4 takes the Cayman as far as Porsche will let it. Any further and it will be too close to the GT3
Davey S2 said:
Richyboy said:
I was so happy reading that, then 80 in second wtf. Why not give it a PDK and leave the manual with short ratios for the RS version.
Because there won't be an RS Version.The GT4 takes the Cayman as far as Porsche will let it. Any further and it will be too close to the GT3
king stupendous!Mmmmm....what could have been and plainly isn't.
Discussions already about possible 'mods'. Staggering.
The gearing is a definite issue, and must mute somewhat the interaction.
So we have the basis of a great car, stick shift and mid engined....but de-tuned and a gear ratio longer than War & Peace.
Haven't driven one though, and as such I am utterly without foundation to make a judgement, a position some of our 'regular' posters might be advised to take on board.
Discussions already about possible 'mods'. Staggering.
The gearing is a definite issue, and must mute somewhat the interaction.
So we have the basis of a great car, stick shift and mid engined....but de-tuned and a gear ratio longer than War & Peace.
Haven't driven one though, and as such I am utterly without foundation to make a judgement, a position some of our 'regular' posters might be advised to take on board.
"Still, if you were hoping for 991 GT3 prices to drop back to more realistic levels you might be in luck..."
Sorry not sure I get this part. We all concur that GT3 is still the more special one of the 2 and clearly a more bespoke machine. And even ignoring that all GT4s are sold out, as obviusly are GT3 and GT3 RS. How is that pushing Gt3 prices down.
And reading all the reviews around of the GT3 I would not think one second of downgrading from my GT3 991 to the GT4. Manual shift aside that might appeal to some the Gt3 is clearly the mean machine.
Sorry not sure I get this part. We all concur that GT3 is still the more special one of the 2 and clearly a more bespoke machine. And even ignoring that all GT4s are sold out, as obviusly are GT3 and GT3 RS. How is that pushing Gt3 prices down.
And reading all the reviews around of the GT3 I would not think one second of downgrading from my GT3 991 to the GT4. Manual shift aside that might appeal to some the Gt3 is clearly the mean machine.
The Pits said:
From Chris Harris's Goodwood GT4 review:
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
Sounds like it really is de-tuned after all.
Anyone thinking of paying over the odds for one of these really should drive one first.
I think Porsche said it's got a different intake manifold that gives it a bit less power. They claim the Carrera S intake manifold wouldn't fit, but it could be for marketing reasons. "The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
Sounds like it really is de-tuned after all.
Anyone thinking of paying over the odds for one of these really should drive one first.
Either way I would not be happy if my brand new GT4 lost some enthusiasm to rev over the last 1500 rpm. Especially if the cheaper GTS model does not.
All for frankly rather insecure marketing reasons. Call me old fashioned but I think a much better marketing strategy would be to simply make the best cars that you can. History has shown that people will not stop buying 911s even given a better balanced, more modern alternative (928).
We've all gotten used to Porsche holding back the Cayman but surely the whole point of the GT4 version was that it was the mid-engine Porsche finally let off the leash?
I must say though that this car, more than any other, will make the whole car industry sit up and take note of the reaction towards a manual-only car. Even if it was only done to put more clear air between the GT4 and GT3, it is something for which all those who enjoy using a manual gearbox should applaud.
Combined with Jaguar's decision to develop a manual F-type and the manual gearbox has been thrown a lifeline just when we appeared to be losing it for good.
All for frankly rather insecure marketing reasons. Call me old fashioned but I think a much better marketing strategy would be to simply make the best cars that you can. History has shown that people will not stop buying 911s even given a better balanced, more modern alternative (928).
We've all gotten used to Porsche holding back the Cayman but surely the whole point of the GT4 version was that it was the mid-engine Porsche finally let off the leash?
I must say though that this car, more than any other, will make the whole car industry sit up and take note of the reaction towards a manual-only car. Even if it was only done to put more clear air between the GT4 and GT3, it is something for which all those who enjoy using a manual gearbox should applaud.
Combined with Jaguar's decision to develop a manual F-type and the manual gearbox has been thrown a lifeline just when we appeared to be losing it for good.
The Pits said:
I must say though that this car, more than any other, will make the whole car industry sit up and take note of the reaction towards a manual-only car. Even if it was only done to put more clear air between the GT4 and GT3, it is something for which all those who enjoy using a manual gearbox should applaud.
Combined with Jaguar's decision to develop a manual F-type and the manual gearbox has been thrown a lifeline just when we appeared to be losing it for good.
I wonder how much of that is a UK thing?Combined with Jaguar's decision to develop a manual F-type and the manual gearbox has been thrown a lifeline just when we appeared to be losing it for good.
I don't know how enthusiastic mainland Europe is for manuals. I know that here in the Middle East (a tiny market in the grand scheme of things) they much prefer to have autos. I had someone approach me at a garage a few weeks back and ask if I'd be interested in selling my Cayman S. He physically grimaced when I said it had a manual box.
I'd also assume that the US market is big on a self-shifter.
Be interesting to know what the stats would be.
Yes the stickshift is almost a badge of honour for gearheads in the US. Ironic in the land of the slushomatic where many people have never driven a manual. Maybe that's why.
Really mean of BMW not to import the manual M5 into the UK! I guess in the UK it's seen of as a fast luxury car. In the US an M5 is seen as more of an outright performance car.
Really mean of BMW not to import the manual M5 into the UK! I guess in the UK it's seen of as a fast luxury car. In the US an M5 is seen as more of an outright performance car.
Asterix said:
The Pits said:
I must say though that this car, more than any other, will make the whole car industry sit up and take note of the reaction towards a manual-only car. Even if it was only done to put more clear air between the GT4 and GT3, it is something for which all those who enjoy using a manual gearbox should applaud.
Combined with Jaguar's decision to develop a manual F-type and the manual gearbox has been thrown a lifeline just when we appeared to be losing it for good.
I wonder how much of that is a UK thing?Combined with Jaguar's decision to develop a manual F-type and the manual gearbox has been thrown a lifeline just when we appeared to be losing it for good.
I don't know how enthusiastic mainland Europe is for manuals. I know that here in the Middle East (a tiny market in the grand scheme of things) they much prefer to have autos. I had someone approach me at a garage a few weeks back and ask if I'd be interested in selling my Cayman S. He physically grimaced when I said it had a manual box.
I'd also assume that the US market is big on a self-shifter.
Be interesting to know what the stats would be.
You can bet they never cut their teeth in a Vauxhall Astra van, getting the gear changes just right to carry speed up that hill on the commute. British drivers just have a cultural attachment to a manual gearbox and that is why I have one of these amazing cars on order. If it was an automatic only, I honestly wouldn't have bothered.
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