One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3
Discussion
yellowjack said:
More important than everyone else are we?
Of course I am sweetheart.I never said I'd block other people using the live lane, the original poster with the issue said he'd pulled into an empty lane, that's what I'd do, I also said people take the wee, which would refer to your comment of blocking traffic just to pull out, if it's empty and then someone appears from the distance and no one has still let me in even though the traffic is flowing then it's not great but it'll be the only way you'll get across, I don't do it all the time, only when it deems necessary, what do you do if someone signals to let you out into there lane but the other lane is busy? Do you continue to wait in the junction as to not block the live lane?
To be fair it's pointless trying to discuss it with someone that obviously has no experience in the matter, go and pretend to know something else instead
Burnzyb said:
yellowjack said:
More important than everyone else are we?
Of course I am sweetheart.I never said I'd block other people using the live lane, the original poster with the issue said he'd pulled into an empty lane, that's what I'd do, I also said people take the wee, which would refer to your comment of blocking traffic just to pull out, if it's empty and then someone appears from the distance and no one has still let me in even though the traffic is flowing then it's not great but it'll be the only way you'll get across, I don't do it all the time, only when it deems necessary, what do you do if someone signals to let you out into there lane but the other lane is busy? Do you continue to wait in the junction as to not block the live lane?
To be fair it's pointless trying to discuss it with someone that obviously has no experience in the matter, go and pretend to know something else instead
From a traffic management, congestion and safety point of view, you should never stop the major road to allow relief to a minor road.
HTH.
OpulentBob said:
Burnzyb said:
yellowjack said:
More important than everyone else are we?
Of course I am sweetheart.I never said I'd block other people using the live lane, the original poster with the issue said he'd pulled into an empty lane, that's what I'd do, I also said people take the wee, which would refer to your comment of blocking traffic just to pull out, if it's empty and then someone appears from the distance and no one has still let me in even though the traffic is flowing then it's not great but it'll be the only way you'll get across, I don't do it all the time, only when it deems necessary, what do you do if someone signals to let you out into there lane but the other lane is busy? Do you continue to wait in the junction as to not block the live lane?
To be fair it's pointless trying to discuss it with someone that obviously has no experience in the matter, go and pretend to know something else instead
From a traffic management, congestion and safety point of view, you should never stop the major road to allow relief to a minor road.
HTH.
Errrm? Of course I wait. I make my own decisions on whether to move or to wait, according to what I can see ahead of me in both directions, and I have on many occasions declined to advance when invited to by a well-meaning but ultimately stupid driver. There are two regular places where I do this because when I'm waiting to turn right OFF the main road, cars from ahead are approaching a give way junction. So they THINK that they're being sensible in inviting my to turn ahead of them. In reality though, they cannot see what I can see, which is the drop-off lane/access road or car park into which I want to turn is solid with stationary traffic.
In such a case, no, I will not turn so as to obstruct traffic as it is not only the driver who invites me to cross who will be inconvenienced if I get stranded across the lane, but anyone currently behind him, and anyone who subsequently arrives behind him. And potentially an emergency vehicle may arrive behind me, in which case I would most likely abandon my attempt to turn right and drive straight up the road to avoid holding the EV up on it's journey. It's called "having a driving plan" and "considering the effects your decisions and actions have on others. I do my own thinking, thanks,having been on the receiving end of a Corsa driving into the side of my car when a van driver "flashed " the Corsa driver to let her out while turning right. I f
king detest that misuse of flashed high beams, as it frequently leads to ambiguity and confusion, corrupting the priorities set out by signs and road markings. Exceptions, naturally, are made when traffic is at a crawl and I can enlarge a gap to allow another vehicle to merge into my lane without resorting to stomping on the brakes to permit said merge. Drivers who appear to be prepared to wait are far more likely to find themselves being let into a queue by me than those who are edging forward and appear to be trying to force the issue...TL:DR? I frequently sacrifice saving a few seconds off my journey time because the greater good is better served by maintaining the traffic flow for the majority of road users.
...and by the way, it's "their", not "there" in this context, sweetheart.
Edited by yellowjack on Tuesday 19th September 12:36
Nice try but again that isn't what we are trying to do, most the time this live lane your all so concerned about hasn't any traffic on it, and the only reason it would have traffic held up is because the lane your trying to join is full of people not willing to allow others to join the lane.
Everyone that's been in this situation and reads posts like this will agree, so by my thinking you've also not been in this situation.
Everyone that's been in this situation and reads posts like this will agree, so by my thinking you've also not been in this situation.
This live lane crossing thing: Many a time, I've been in the situation that I believe to be what was originally described. Traffic is heavy but flowing. Then there's a let-up in the traffic in the lane you need to cross so you take advantage because, apparently, it's essential to do so in order to make it appropriately clear to those in the lane you'd like to join that that's what you want to do or even shame them into actually letting you in despite the sheer seconds of inconvenience to them. If you object to this behaviour, I'd suggest demonstrating as much by making it as clear as possible to the OP and the many who share their plight that such behaviour is unnecessary as you'll gladly allow them out in front of you as soon as the traffic coming the other way allows.
Seems like a win-win to me.
While I'm on, I'd like to nominate the utter throbber in the A5 this morning. He was doing 60, maybe 65, in lane 1 of the A12, south past Marks Tey. I know this because on accelerating up the slip-road I 'overtook' him due to me surpassing his speed. For some reason, he accelerates hard, to a speed way in excess of the one that previously and subsequently he was entirely happy with, to block the huge space that was about to occupy. You, sir, made me think 'knob'. As well as 'what the f@cking hell was that?'. If, by some minute chance, you're reading this and you couldn't read my lips that's what I was asking you. Feel free to explain, or preferably apologise and promise to never be such a hampton again.
Cheers, Jim
Seems like a win-win to me.
While I'm on, I'd like to nominate the utter throbber in the A5 this morning. He was doing 60, maybe 65, in lane 1 of the A12, south past Marks Tey. I know this because on accelerating up the slip-road I 'overtook' him due to me surpassing his speed. For some reason, he accelerates hard, to a speed way in excess of the one that previously and subsequently he was entirely happy with, to block the huge space that was about to occupy. You, sir, made me think 'knob'. As well as 'what the f@cking hell was that?'. If, by some minute chance, you're reading this and you couldn't read my lips that's what I was asking you. Feel free to explain, or preferably apologise and promise to never be such a hampton again.
Cheers, Jim
What you have to remember from the post that kicked this off is that he appeared to have been in the lane having estimated he'd clear it before it caused anyone an obstruction. Then someone saw him there and chose to accelerate for the sole reason of getting themselves into such a scenario, presumably so they could feel self righteous about it.
All a bit silly really. Storm in a teacup.
All a bit silly really. Storm in a teacup.
InitialDave said:
What you have to remember from the post thar kicked this off is that he appeared to have been in the lane having estimated he'd clear it before it caused anyone an obstruction. Then someone saw him there and chose to accelerate for the sole reason of getting themselves into such a scenario, presumably so they could feel self righteous about it.
All a bit silly really. Storm in a teacup.
Indeed. The only reason you'd do it is if you fully anticipate that there will one of the many respondants who believe such things to be unnecessary who'd obviously let you out well before you were holding anything up in the lane you're crossing. Obviously, absolutely nobody would leave you there until you were just so they could get all angry about your cheek, no, no, no.All a bit silly really. Storm in a teacup.
Cheers, Jim
yellowjack said:
"...what do you do if someone signals to let you out into there[sic] lane but the other lane is busy? Do you continue to wait in the junction as to not block the live lane?"
Errrm? Of course I wait. I make my own decisions on whether to move or to wait, according to what I can see ahead of me in both directions, and I have on many occasions declined to advance when invited to by a well-meaning but ultimately stupid driver. There are two regular places where I do this because when I'm waiting to turn right OFF the main road, cars from ahead are approaching a give way junction. So they THINK that they're being sensible in inviting my to turn ahead of them. In reality though, they cannot see what I can see, which is the drop-off lane/access road or car park into which I want to turn is solid with stationary traffic.
In such a case, no, I will not turn so as to obstruct traffic as it is not only the driver who invites me to cross who will be inconvenienced if I get stranded across the lane, but anyone currently behind him, and anyone who subsequently arrives behind him. And potentially an emergency vehicle may arrive behind me, in which case I would most likely abandon my attempt to turn right and drive straight up the road to avoid holding the EV up on it's journey. It's called "having a driving plan" and "considering the effects your decisions and actions have on others. I do my own thinking, thanks,having been on the receiving end of a Corsa driving into the side of my car when a van driver "flashed " the Corsa driver to let her out while turning right. I fking detest that misuse of flashed high beams, as it frequently leads to ambiguity and confusion, corrupting the priorities set out by signs and road markings. Exceptions, naturally, are made when traffic is at a crawl and I can enlarge a gap to allow another vehicle to merge into my lane without resorting to stomping on the brakes to permit said merge. Drivers who appear to be prepared to wait are far more likely to find themselves being let into a queue by me than those who are edging forward and appear to be trying to force the issue...
TL:DR? I frequently sacrifice saving a few seconds off my journey time because the greater good is better served by maintaining the traffic flow for the majority of road users.
...and by the way, it's "their", not "there" in this context, sweetheart.
Cool, so you can think of a scenario that had nothing to do with the original issue as being a reason to not cross a lane of traffic Errrm? Of course I wait. I make my own decisions on whether to move or to wait, according to what I can see ahead of me in both directions, and I have on many occasions declined to advance when invited to by a well-meaning but ultimately stupid driver. There are two regular places where I do this because when I'm waiting to turn right OFF the main road, cars from ahead are approaching a give way junction. So they THINK that they're being sensible in inviting my to turn ahead of them. In reality though, they cannot see what I can see, which is the drop-off lane/access road or car park into which I want to turn is solid with stationary traffic.
In such a case, no, I will not turn so as to obstruct traffic as it is not only the driver who invites me to cross who will be inconvenienced if I get stranded across the lane, but anyone currently behind him, and anyone who subsequently arrives behind him. And potentially an emergency vehicle may arrive behind me, in which case I would most likely abandon my attempt to turn right and drive straight up the road to avoid holding the EV up on it's journey. It's called "having a driving plan" and "considering the effects your decisions and actions have on others. I do my own thinking, thanks,having been on the receiving end of a Corsa driving into the side of my car when a van driver "flashed " the Corsa driver to let her out while turning right. I f
king detest that misuse of flashed high beams, as it frequently leads to ambiguity and confusion, corrupting the priorities set out by signs and road markings. Exceptions, naturally, are made when traffic is at a crawl and I can enlarge a gap to allow another vehicle to merge into my lane without resorting to stomping on the brakes to permit said merge. Drivers who appear to be prepared to wait are far more likely to find themselves being let into a queue by me than those who are edging forward and appear to be trying to force the issue...TL:DR? I frequently sacrifice saving a few seconds off my journey time because the greater good is better served by maintaining the traffic flow for the majority of road users.
...and by the way, it's "their", not "there" in this context, sweetheart.
Edited by yellowjack on Tuesday 19th September 12:36
Iirc aren't you the fella that couldn't over take a van on a country lane? So by my reckoning I still stand by the fact you have no experience on this issue to give valid input.
Oh and regarding the spelling or misuse of the word "there" I'm dyslexic, I've had trouble with it all my life but everyday I try and learn new things and better my grammar and punctuation, the only reason you can read what I write is because I'm using a keyboard, sometimes I slip up, but hey I guess no one is allowed to make mistakes on a grammar forum, oh wait, it isn't a grammar forum is it.
You absolute throbber.
OpulentBob said:
esp considering you struggled to grasp the point of the discussion.I don't want sympathy, I just wanted to show what a bunch of plebs the grammar police are as they have no idea on people's backgrounds and just choose to mock them for their mistakes, maybe I waffled a bit too much but I was bored.
The kind of mouth-breathing inbred cocksucking who overtakes you in the middle of a 30 mph zone when you're only slowing below 30 mph because you don't want to wreck your suspension on the stupid speed humps the Council have decided to install at local zebra crossings.
You Sir in the 57-plate diesel Ford C-Max are an affront to evolution.
fk the fk off.
who overtakes you in the middle of a 30 mph zone when you're only slowing below 30 mph because you don't want to wreck your suspension on the stupid speed humps the Council have decided to install at local zebra crossings.You Sir in the 57-plate diesel Ford C-Max are an affront to evolution.
f
k the fk off. 
Burnzyb said:
Cool, so you can think of a scenario that had nothing to do with the original issue as being a reason to not cross a lane of traffic
Iirc aren't you the fella that couldn't over take a van on a country lane? So by my reckoning I still stand by the fact you have no experience on this issue to give valid input.
Oh and regarding the spelling or misuse of the word "there" I'm dyslexic, I've had trouble with it all my life but everyday I try and learn new things and better my grammar and punctuation, the only reason you can read what I write is because I'm using a keyboard, sometimes I slip up, but hey I guess no one is allowed to make mistakes on a grammar forum, oh wait, it isn't a grammar forum is it.
You absolute throbber.
If you think that it's only appropriate to enter a debate if I'm going to agree with you, I feel sorry for you.Iirc aren't you the fella that couldn't over take a van on a country lane? So by my reckoning I still stand by the fact you have no experience on this issue to give valid input.
Oh and regarding the spelling or misuse of the word "there" I'm dyslexic, I've had trouble with it all my life but everyday I try and learn new things and better my grammar and punctuation, the only reason you can read what I write is because I'm using a keyboard, sometimes I slip up, but hey I guess no one is allowed to make mistakes on a grammar forum, oh wait, it isn't a grammar forum is it.
You absolute throbber.
If you think my opinion is only valid if a scenario I described is exactly the same as yours, I feel sorry for you.
If you think that I'd come onto an internet forum and admit to being crap at overtaking, you're sadly misguided. I may or may not be crap at overtaking, but I certainly wouldn't come crying to the collected driving gods of PH because there is no advice that I would take from them. Preoccupied as they are with frothing at the mouth over THEIR own ineptitude and their seeming inability to safely pass a cyclist on any kind of road.
...and regarding your Exlaxia? If it's genuine you have my sympathy. But I suspect, based on the evidence before me, that it is either VERY mild, or non-existent. This may not be a spelling and grammar thread, but spelling, grammar, context, etc, is VERY important in the real world. I used to consign dangerous goods for transport by road. A few misplaced letters in a 'proper shipping name' could have a seriously detrimental effect in the event of an accident involving one of 'my' loads. To the point where the fire brigade might even use the incorrect firefighting media on a load and cause the situation to become far worse, even endangering lives. Before that I operated a squadron command vehicle in the army. A few transposed digits in a grid reference and I might call down an artillery fire mission on friendly forces, or hold up a battle group advance by ordering up a bridge that was too small to cross a gap. Again, accuracy is VITAL. I had the need for absolute accuracy almost literally beaten into me for 25 years. It's a habit I shall take to the grave, no doubt, and one for which I will NOT apologise. If you genuinely do "everyday [I] try and learn new things and better my grammar and punctuation" then you should be grateful for me pointing out your error and providing yesterday's lesson. If you are not dyslexic, but simply a bit thick or lazy, then it is very disingenuous to those who really do struggle with the condition, and can actively undermine their position.
As for me being an "absolute throbber"? I am in therapy at the moment with a genuine, diagnosed, long term mental illness as a result of my years of military service. I am also a very sensitive, delicate little flower. Thanks for setting my recovery back weeks, sweetcheeks...
Burnzyb said:
yellowjack said:
More important than everyone else are we?
Of course I am sweetheart.the original poster with the issue said he'd pulled into an empty lane, that's what I'd do,
yellowjack said:
If you think that it's only appropriate to enter a debate if I'm going to agree with you, I feel sorry for you.
If you think my opinion is only valid if a scenario I described is exactly the same as yours, I feel sorry for you.
If you think that I'd come onto an internet forum and admit to being crap at overtaking, you're sadly misguided. I may or may not be crap at overtaking, but I certainly wouldn't come crying to the collected driving gods of PH because there is no advice that I would take from them. Preoccupied as they are with frothing at the mouth over THEIR own ineptitude and their seeming inability to safely pass a cyclist on any kind of road.
...and regarding your Exlaxia? If it's genuine you have my sympathy. But I suspect, based on the evidence before me, that it is either VERY mild, or non-existent. This may not be a spelling and grammar thread, but spelling, grammar, context, etc, is VERY important in the real world. I used to consign dangerous goods for transport by road. A few misplaced letters in a 'proper shipping name' could have a seriously detrimental effect in the event of an accident involving one of 'my' loads. To the point where the fire brigade might even use the incorrect firefighting media on a load and cause the situation to become far worse, even endangering lives. Before that I operated a squadron command vehicle in the army. A few transposed digits in a grid reference and I might call down an artillery fire mission on friendly forces, or hold up a battle group advance by ordering up a bridge that was too small to cross a gap. Again, accuracy is VITAL. I had the need for absolute accuracy almost literally beaten into me for 25 years. It's a habit I shall take to the grave, no doubt, and one for which I will NOT apologise. If you genuinely do "everyday [I] try and learn new things and better my grammar and punctuation" then you should be grateful for me pointing out your error and providing yesterday's lesson. If you are not dyslexic, but simply a bit thick or lazy, then it is very disingenuous to those who really do struggle with the condition, and can actively undermine their position.
As for me being an "absolute throbber"? I am in therapy at the moment with a genuine, diagnosed, long term mental illness as a result of my years of military service. I am also a very sensitive, delicate little flower. Thanks for setting my recovery back weeks, sweetcheeks...
Blimey, wind it in a bit. Whilst the level of accuracy you describe may be essential in the military for the reasons you describe, it's hardly the same as a few spelling mistakes on a bloody Internet forum. I doubt, because the poster wrote 'there' instead of 'their', that a bombing raid in Afghanistan is going to target a school instead of Taliban HQ so have a sense of perspective eh?If you think my opinion is only valid if a scenario I described is exactly the same as yours, I feel sorry for you.
If you think that I'd come onto an internet forum and admit to being crap at overtaking, you're sadly misguided. I may or may not be crap at overtaking, but I certainly wouldn't come crying to the collected driving gods of PH because there is no advice that I would take from them. Preoccupied as they are with frothing at the mouth over THEIR own ineptitude and their seeming inability to safely pass a cyclist on any kind of road.
...and regarding your Exlaxia? If it's genuine you have my sympathy. But I suspect, based on the evidence before me, that it is either VERY mild, or non-existent. This may not be a spelling and grammar thread, but spelling, grammar, context, etc, is VERY important in the real world. I used to consign dangerous goods for transport by road. A few misplaced letters in a 'proper shipping name' could have a seriously detrimental effect in the event of an accident involving one of 'my' loads. To the point where the fire brigade might even use the incorrect firefighting media on a load and cause the situation to become far worse, even endangering lives. Before that I operated a squadron command vehicle in the army. A few transposed digits in a grid reference and I might call down an artillery fire mission on friendly forces, or hold up a battle group advance by ordering up a bridge that was too small to cross a gap. Again, accuracy is VITAL. I had the need for absolute accuracy almost literally beaten into me for 25 years. It's a habit I shall take to the grave, no doubt, and one for which I will NOT apologise. If you genuinely do "everyday [I] try and learn new things and better my grammar and punctuation" then you should be grateful for me pointing out your error and providing yesterday's lesson. If you are not dyslexic, but simply a bit thick or lazy, then it is very disingenuous to those who really do struggle with the condition, and can actively undermine their position.
As for me being an "absolute throbber"? I am in therapy at the moment with a genuine, diagnosed, long term mental illness as a result of my years of military service. I am also a very sensitive, delicate little flower. Thanks for setting my recovery back weeks, sweetcheeks...
nonsequitur said:
For how long? Traffic approaching at 60 plus will be fast approaching and will be thinking who is that ********** in my lane!!
Well, you observe/assess and make a judgement on that.Point still stands, if you do that, knowing you have enough time to be gone before anyone is inconvenienced, then if someone sees you and deliberately accelerates to make sure you're now an obstruction, so they can feel self righteous about it, they're the knob.
It's little different to the kind of dick that, despite having maintained speed in the outer lane for the entire time you've seen them, accelerates when you start an overtake and dare to pull into "their" lane ahead of them.
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