RE: Honda Civic Type R: the tech

RE: Honda Civic Type R: the tech

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Ali_T

3,379 posts

258 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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rich85uk said:
Well that looks awful, and 310bhp through the front wheels?! seems like alot of effort has gone into making sure it can put the power down but i just don't see it coping that well on a slightly damp average British road. Competition is pretty stiff too with the amount of 4 pot turbo high powered hot hatches out there at the moment, good luck Honda

Its a shame BMW are the only ones willing to brake away from this trend with the 135i
Have patience. The next Alfa hatch is to be RWD as well.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Apologies for the subbing SNAFU in the final paragraph; not sure what happened there but dug out the copy and reinstated as it should be.

Drive story to follow tomorrow.

Cheers!

Dan

steven-chvtx

11 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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This new CTR is too late and too expensive. I'm sure its epic in the flesh but £30k? Thats the Audi S3, Golf R market...I am a honda fan but this just leaves me feeling frustrated. Maybe around 250 bhp and say £21k and target the Focus st market. Now moved to VW after having 4 Ctr's and an S2000. Remapped Mk5 gti and its perfect (and only £6k) Where's the new S2000 btw?

Roncee

54 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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I think most people are forgetting the type r was supposed to be back to basics/roots driving. great engine, gearbox and handling. Most Type-r's (the FN2 does not count) are a motoring life affirming experience.
I don't think they were always made to look good, have many creature comforts, or ferry the family round comfortably. This is what made them different to mmost of the german (now mqb platform) cars.

search type r legend on youtube for fascinating peek behind the history of the older type r's

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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steven-chvtx said:
This new CTR is too late and too expensive. I'm sure its epic in the flesh but £30k? Thats the Audi S3, Golf R market...I am a honda fan but this just leaves me feeling frustrated. Maybe around 250 bhp and say £21k and target the Focus st market. Now moved to VW after having 4 Ctr's and an S2000. Remapped Mk5 gti and its perfect (and only £6k) Where's the new S2000 btw?
Why should it be cheaper than a Golf? Personally I prefer the Honda badge to VW and rightly so, they want to create the best hot hatch they can.

Groober

775 posts

181 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Too many doors for me. Five door hatches just look a bit odd to me. It seems that a five door only is catching on in the hatchback market with the Clio RS, focus RS and now this.

pacdes

495 posts

162 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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£29,995 is an awful lot of money for a car that looks like an oversized radio controlled toy.

Owning the current one, this would have been my next car. Unfortunately a quick time around the Nürburgring is all it has going for it, having only ever owned hot hatches I have never had the desire to traipse down to Germany and thrash my car around the Nürburgring. For me the journey back and forth and day-to-day would be shared with much better machinery for the money.

Edited by pacdes on Tuesday 2nd June 23:01

otolith

56,206 posts

205 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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I think it's probably very good in the Golf R / Megane RS / etc space, it just doesn't appeal to me in the same way those don't appeal.

Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Hot hatches are meant to be over the top chav mobiles, that's what makes them great. Manual box too. Perfect.

PistonHeads should rejoice that a car like this has been made, not slate it!

DUMBO100

1,878 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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I covered 50k miles in my FN2 and loved it despite the ride quality but this new one seems to have moved the game on for Honda but not quite in the right way. I've gone for a Golf R this time round and I'm sure many other previous Type R customers have decided to try something different

lee_erm

1,091 posts

194 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2015
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Why didn't PH ask the man why they had chosen torsion beam rear suspension? We already know the answer, amusing to hear the 'official' answer nevertheless.

otolith

56,206 posts

205 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Unusual (though not unknown) for the hot version to have different suspension to the cooking models, but an expensive option. The reasons for fitting the cheaper and more compact option as standard are rational if not welcomed by driving enthusiasts. In terms of their priorities for this model, I guess it's irrelevant - the torsion beam equipped Megane is competitive at the Ring, and it looks as if all other priorities are rescinded.

RUSTLE

68 posts

224 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Sat in one of these at Hondas hq last week. Good seats, but think for £30k I'd look elsewhere.

otolith

56,206 posts

205 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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The price looks about right to me, a Golf R is about 30k and a Renaultsport 275 Trophy R is £36,430. Personally, and setting aside that I'm not in the market for that kind of car, I would find it hard to swallow the uplift on the base car, but then I have similar feelings about things like M BMWs and Cayman GT4s, it feels like they are taking the piss with margins, but in terms of market positioning it looks right.

BricktopST205

942 posts

135 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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I am surprised Toyota hasn't sought legal proceedings on all these manufacturers as they quite blatantly rip off their superstrut suspension design for the front.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Ali_T said:
rich85uk said:
Well that looks awful, and 310bhp through the front wheels?! seems like alot of effort has gone into making sure it can put the power down but i just don't see it coping that well on a slightly damp average British road. Competition is pretty stiff too with the amount of 4 pot turbo high powered hot hatches out there at the moment, good luck Honda

Its a shame BMW are the only ones willing to brake away from this trend with the 135i
Have patience. The next Alfa hatch is to be RWD as well.
What's the chance that will be average to drive like every Alfa?

If the Civic beats the Megane RS on the road, that's all that matters. I would rather the Honda than a Golf or Audi.

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

151 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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lee_erm said:
Why didn't PH ask the man why they had chosen torsion beam rear suspension? We already know the answer, amusing to hear the 'official' answer nevertheless.
I suspect your "official answer" is costs which is rubbish. It's packaging and the fact the standard Civic runs that set up. They're not going to re-engineer the whole rear floor pan for one model. The reason the EP3 and earlier had double wishbone is that all the cooking civic also had double wishbone.

Oz83

688 posts

140 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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I've had several Type Rs in the past and I was really looking forward to getting back into one. I'm a big fan of Honda but visually this just does not appeal to me. As a 31 year old man I don't want to drive around in what looks like a modified boy racer chariot. I know what people will say. 'Who cares what other people think?'. 'At least it's not another boring German box' etc. But you know what, I care, and surely I'm a big part of the target market.

No I don't care about soft touch plastics and I'm not a badge snob, but when companies stick fake vents (according to Top Gear), plastic arches without changing the track width, and 4 exhausts on a 4 cylinder car then there is no justification. Type R's of the past weren't subtle, but they were fairly restrained. The extra parts were there for performance and you could remain safe in the knowledge that you owned a drivers car, not one for poncing around in, and with that came the nods of approval. I can't imagine arriving anywhere in the new Type-R and getting the nod from anybody but teenagers and 20 somethings.

I will of course go for a test drive. It might be so amazing to drive that I can look past it's appearance, but it will have to be bloody good. And if how it drives is the most important part, then surely the WRX has to be considered for the same money.

krismccloy

256 posts

150 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Honda toned down everything with the FN2, People complained about it being boring & slow etc...

Now they've opened up the taps again and there are still moans and groans, Personally I applaud Honda for offering something a bit 'out there' and aimed their expertise to driving engagement and enjoyment in this day and age and giving us a gear stick.

I think it's a shame they didn't offer the latest gen in a 3dr.

I also look forward to see what Chris Harris has to say about it and the x3 too many exhaust tips!

Oz83

688 posts

140 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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krismccloy said:
Honda toned down everything with the FN2, People complained about it being boring & slow etc...

Now they've opened up the taps again and there are still moans and groans, Personally I applaud Honda for offering something a bit 'out there' and aimed their expertise to driving engagement and enjoyment in this day and age and giving us a gear stick.

I think it's a shame they didn't offer the latest gen in a 3dr.

I also look forward to see what Chris Harris has to say about it and the x3 too many exhaust tips!
I wouldn't say Honda toned down the looks for the FN2 compared to the EP3, it was pretty radical for the time (triangular exhausts and massive spoiler). However the FN2 was priced around £17k and was more affordable to a younger market who appreciated the looks.

At £30K this car is against some tough opposition and the kinds of people who can afford this car might be put off by the looks. It's borderline too expensive, especially with such an unattractive finance package.