RE: Honda Civic Type R: Driven
Discussion
On the basis of the review; i don't mind this car as it certainly sounds like it lives up to or certainly trumps it's rivals.
However i would loved it, like previously mentioned if they'd stuck to their historical guns, so to speak and just went for a high revving simplistic hot hatch; true to previous flagship civics.
Having owned an EG6, EK9 and EP3; i know all too well that the power is not the be all and end all of Honda's, the fact you can ring every last bit of power out of it where other cars would fall victim to their 'lumps' of torque or power. 180ish bhp in the EG6 (modified) and EK9 were always enough to have fun on tracks and B roads.
The power war is probably taking the fun away from being able to use a car at 10/10th's when the moment is given; something which Honda were probably the last to give in to unfortunately.
However i would loved it, like previously mentioned if they'd stuck to their historical guns, so to speak and just went for a high revving simplistic hot hatch; true to previous flagship civics.
Having owned an EG6, EK9 and EP3; i know all too well that the power is not the be all and end all of Honda's, the fact you can ring every last bit of power out of it where other cars would fall victim to their 'lumps' of torque or power. 180ish bhp in the EG6 (modified) and EK9 were always enough to have fun on tracks and B roads.
The power war is probably taking the fun away from being able to use a car at 10/10th's when the moment is given; something which Honda were probably the last to give in to unfortunately.
Quickmoose said:
That a matter of opinion really and that Accord coupe is a shameful 4 series rip off with a Honda face hastily grafted on...
I guess the new ugly Civic has orginality on it's side.
That shape Accord Coupe has been around since late 2012, so unlikely to have copied the 4 series. I guess the new ugly Civic has orginality on it's side.
Gompo said:
Quickmoose said:
That a matter of opinion really and that Accord coupe is a shameful 4 series rip off with a Honda face hastily grafted on...
I guess the new ugly Civic has orginality on it's side.
That shape Accord Coupe has been around since late 2012, so unlikely to have copied the 4 series. I guess the new ugly Civic has orginality on it's side.
But the Accord you say looks like an F30 has been around longer, and looks nothing like an E92. So who copied who? Or is all car styling in another generic rut again?
As for the first 3 series coupe...
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Like everything else in 1990, there are distinct similarities beyond the corporate face.
As for the first 3 series coupe...
Like everything else in 1990, there are distinct similarities beyond the corporate face.
Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 9th June 11:56
I like this. I'd love to have one but i really don't think they will sell. I can't see there being any cheap lease/PCP deals for them like the Golf R/BMW M135i which is the way to get them out of the door. Mainly because that's how the majority will pay for them.
Also the idea of having a Type R product that is now turbocharged is kinda defeating the idea of having one isn't it? Isn't that what they're renowned for? This is going to sound a little harsh but it's probably the only reason why people would buy them. I'm sure most will look past these and end up with the new Focus RS if they want something non-German.
Also i can't help think that the advantages and strengths of this that Honda are trying to highlight compared to it's rivals are pretty obsolete. It's top speed for example, impressive as it is who actually cares? Also the new engine that now has good mid-range torque but still revs high and is rewarding to do so. Again as good as that is on paper it's still nowhere near the old NA units. Also the Golf R is still pretty good to take past 6.5 RPM apparently so it's comparable to the Honda still.
It's imminently headed for the same demise of the new M3/M4 and the Clio 200T EDC i think. Ironic when these car manufacturers fix the faults of the previous generations only to make the new one even worse. Don't think they realise that sometimes the niggles and weak points with these cars define their characteristics and are the reason that people buy them in the first place.
Also the idea of having a Type R product that is now turbocharged is kinda defeating the idea of having one isn't it? Isn't that what they're renowned for? This is going to sound a little harsh but it's probably the only reason why people would buy them. I'm sure most will look past these and end up with the new Focus RS if they want something non-German.
Also i can't help think that the advantages and strengths of this that Honda are trying to highlight compared to it's rivals are pretty obsolete. It's top speed for example, impressive as it is who actually cares? Also the new engine that now has good mid-range torque but still revs high and is rewarding to do so. Again as good as that is on paper it's still nowhere near the old NA units. Also the Golf R is still pretty good to take past 6.5 RPM apparently so it's comparable to the Honda still.
It's imminently headed for the same demise of the new M3/M4 and the Clio 200T EDC i think. Ironic when these car manufacturers fix the faults of the previous generations only to make the new one even worse. Don't think they realise that sometimes the niggles and weak points with these cars define their characteristics and are the reason that people buy them in the first place.
Ali_T said:
Still think it looks the same?
If you mean they both have creases on the sides and grills....most cars do!
No, other than the faces/jewellery I was on about surface treatment, proportion, DLOs, stance. Despite zeitgeist styling appearing in most market sectors, on the whole imaginative designs have managed to seperate the bigger players: A5 doesn't look at all like the corresponding 3 series... I was actually meaning to put up an image of the E90, late 2006, but whatever, despite the fmaily faces and lights, it is clear imagination escaped Honda at that point.If you mean they both have creases on the sides and grills....most cars do!
Used it in spades with Civic, just to ill effect sadly...
Won't digress anymore.....
Ali_T said:
Since when was revving to 7000 at all high? Mid 90s 2.0 rep mobiles could do that.
^^^^ This, I find it funny when people are impressed by this. Don't get me wrong compared to other turbo engines it sounds like this one has more character but my 1999 Subaru Impreza, also a 2 litre turbo revved to 8250rpm. Loved doing it too and that was over a decade ago. Did I really care that it only did 20 mpg, didn't have full boost at 1000rpm or had bad co2 emissions, no because that's not what you buy a performance car for.I've got to agree with all the comments about the looks - it's by no means a looker!
On another note - Does anyone know what the 'real world' performance is like?
It's one thing being fast around the Nurburgring where it's bouncing off the limiter, but it could be s
t slow in the real world with massive turbo lag....(unless you drive it like a bellend of course)
On another note - Does anyone know what the 'real world' performance is like?
It's one thing being fast around the Nurburgring where it's bouncing off the limiter, but it could be s
t slow in the real world with massive turbo lag....(unless you drive it like a bellend of course)otolith said:
JuniorD said:
Is there any point to such a rear spoiler on a front wheel drive car?
Suppression of lift in high speed corners. Honda claim that the car has downforce. They won't say how much, so "very slightly negative lift" is probably a more meaningful description. I should have known that it's to supress lift in high speed corners - I have that problem all the time as I make my way at max velocity (sometimes up to 70mph were conditions permit) around the very many high speed corners on my regular drive to work and the shops
JuniorD said:
Ahhhh, thanks!
I should have known that it's to supress lift in high speed corners - I have that problem all the time as I make my way at max velocity (sometimes up to 70mph were conditions permit) around the very many high speed corners on my regular drive to work and the shops
Absolutely - this is why Nürburgring lap times are such a crucial factor in any performance car buying decision I should have known that it's to supress lift in high speed corners - I have that problem all the time as I make my way at max velocity (sometimes up to 70mph were conditions permit) around the very many high speed corners on my regular drive to work and the shops
otolith said:
Absolutely - this is why Nürburgring lap times are such a crucial factor in any performance car buying decision
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