RE: Honda Civic Type R: Driven

RE: Honda Civic Type R: Driven

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RossB_eg4

279 posts

131 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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On the basis of the review; i don't mind this car as it certainly sounds like it lives up to or certainly trumps it's rivals.

However i would loved it, like previously mentioned if they'd stuck to their historical guns, so to speak and just went for a high revving simplistic hot hatch; true to previous flagship civics.

Having owned an EG6, EK9 and EP3; i know all too well that the power is not the be all and end all of Honda's, the fact you can ring every last bit of power out of it where other cars would fall victim to their 'lumps' of torque or power. 180ish bhp in the EG6 (modified) and EK9 were always enough to have fun on tracks and B roads.

The power war is probably taking the fun away from being able to use a car at 10/10th's when the moment is given; something which Honda were probably the last to give in to unfortunately.

Gompo

3,768 posts

197 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Quickmoose said:
That a matter of opinion really and that Accord coupe is a shameful 4 series rip off with a Honda face hastily grafted on...

I guess the new ugly Civic has orginality on it's side.
That shape Accord Coupe has been around since late 2012, so unlikely to have copied the 4 series.

Quickmoose

3,822 posts

62 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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Gompo said:
Quickmoose said:
That a matter of opinion really and that Accord coupe is a shameful 4 series rip off with a Honda face hastily grafted on...

I guess the new ugly Civic has orginality on it's side.
That shape Accord Coupe has been around since late 2012, so unlikely to have copied the 4 series.
good point well made... 3 series coupe rip off.

Ali_T

3,278 posts

196 months

Monday 8th June 2015
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First 3 series coupe...1990. First Accord Coupe... 1985.

Quickmoose

3,822 posts

62 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Ali_T said:
First 3 series coupe...1990. First Accord Coupe... 1985.
and the first 3 series coupe looked nowt like the first Accord coupe...
So Honda started out stylistaicaly original and then got properly lazy...whilst in the Civic corner stayed original and got properly ugly..
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Ali_T

3,278 posts

196 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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But the Accord you say looks like an F30 has been around longer, and looks nothing like an E92. So who copied who? Or is all car styling in another generic rut again?

As for the first 3 series coupe...





Like everything else in 1990, there are distinct similarities beyond the corporate face.

Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 9th June 11:56

Quickmoose

3,822 posts

62 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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I'm saying these two are clearly related in the styling stakes if you cover up the face.

aka_kerrly said:


which one of them is older?

Ali_T

3,278 posts

196 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Still think it looks the same?





If you mean they both have creases on the sides and grills....most cars do!

Ali_T

3,278 posts

196 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Quickmoose said:
which one of them is older?
The Accord. 2013 vs 2014 for the BMW, but they'll have been in development a lot longer. They're both just generic coupe designs, nothing special and nothing worth stealing from each other.

culpz

3,918 posts

51 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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I like this. I'd love to have one but i really don't think they will sell. I can't see there being any cheap lease/PCP deals for them like the Golf R/BMW M135i which is the way to get them out of the door. Mainly because that's how the majority will pay for them.

Also the idea of having a Type R product that is now turbocharged is kinda defeating the idea of having one isn't it? Isn't that what they're renowned for? This is going to sound a little harsh but it's probably the only reason why people would buy them. I'm sure most will look past these and end up with the new Focus RS if they want something non-German.

Also i can't help think that the advantages and strengths of this that Honda are trying to highlight compared to it's rivals are pretty obsolete. It's top speed for example, impressive as it is who actually cares? Also the new engine that now has good mid-range torque but still revs high and is rewarding to do so. Again as good as that is on paper it's still nowhere near the old NA units. Also the Golf R is still pretty good to take past 6.5 RPM apparently so it's comparable to the Honda still.

It's imminently headed for the same demise of the new M3/M4 and the Clio 200T EDC i think. Ironic when these car manufacturers fix the faults of the previous generations only to make the new one even worse. Don't think they realise that sometimes the niggles and weak points with these cars define their characteristics and are the reason that people buy them in the first place.

Ali_T

3,278 posts

196 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Since when was revving to 7000 at all high? Mid 90s 2.0 rep mobiles could do that.

Quickmoose

3,822 posts

62 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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Ali_T said:
Still think it looks the same?



If you mean they both have creases on the sides and grills....most cars do!
No, other than the faces/jewellery I was on about surface treatment, proportion, DLOs, stance. Despite zeitgeist styling appearing in most market sectors, on the whole imaginative designs have managed to seperate the bigger players: A5 doesn't look at all like the corresponding 3 series... I was actually meaning to put up an image of the E90, late 2006, but whatever, despite the fmaily faces and lights, it is clear imagination escaped Honda at that point.

Used it in spades with Civic, just to ill effect sadly...
Won't digress anymore.....

Guvernator

9,528 posts

104 months

Wednesday 10th June 2015
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Ali_T said:
Since when was revving to 7000 at all high? Mid 90s 2.0 rep mobiles could do that.
^^^^ This, I find it funny when people are impressed by this. Don't get me wrong compared to other turbo engines it sounds like this one has more character but my 1999 Subaru Impreza, also a 2 litre turbo revved to 8250rpm. Loved doing it too and that was over a decade ago. Did I really care that it only did 20 mpg, didn't have full boost at 1000rpm or had bad co2 emissions, no because that's not what you buy a performance car for.

Round

15 posts

47 months

Thursday 11th June 2015
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oab3XoYx3fU

Actually quite like it in motion.

Eddie1775

43 posts

53 months

Monday 15th June 2015
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I've got to agree with all the comments about the looks - it's by no means a looker!

On another note - Does anyone know what the 'real world' performance is like?

It's one thing being fast around the Nurburgring where it's bouncing off the limiter, but it could be st slow in the real world with massive turbo lag....(unless you drive it like a bellend of course)


JuniorD

6,101 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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Is there any point to such a rear spoiler on a front wheel drive car?

It certainly can't be for aesthetic purposes as it looks totally st, as if they were going for OEM barry boy look.


otolith

36,890 posts

143 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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JuniorD said:
Is there any point to such a rear spoiler on a front wheel drive car?
Suppression of lift in high speed corners. Honda claim that the car has downforce. They won't say how much, so "very slightly negative lift" is probably a more meaningful description.

JuniorD

6,101 posts

162 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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otolith said:
JuniorD said:
Is there any point to such a rear spoiler on a front wheel drive car?
Suppression of lift in high speed corners. Honda claim that the car has downforce. They won't say how much, so "very slightly negative lift" is probably a more meaningful description.
Ahhhh, thanks!

I should have known that it's to supress lift in high speed corners - I have that problem all the time as I make my way at max velocity (sometimes up to 70mph were conditions permit) around the very many high speed corners on my regular drive to work and the shops hehe

otolith

36,890 posts

143 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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JuniorD said:
Ahhhh, thanks!

I should have known that it's to supress lift in high speed corners - I have that problem all the time as I make my way at max velocity (sometimes up to 70mph were conditions permit) around the very many high speed corners on my regular drive to work and the shops hehe
Absolutely - this is why Nürburgring lap times are such a crucial factor in any performance car buying decision hehe

yonex

13,346 posts

107 months

Wednesday 24th June 2015
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otolith said:
Absolutely - this is why Nürburgring lap times are such a crucial factor in any performance car buying decision hehe
My old Caterham set something of a decent time on the 'ring' but it was slower point to point than quite a few things on the open road mainly due to lack of visibility.