RE: Noble fastest in Goodwood supercar shootout

[LocoBlade]

Although the timed hillclimb was won by the Time Attack Scoob in just under 45s, it's worth digging out Ant Davidsons runs in the Merc F1 car on Saturday (on wets) and in the Toyota LMP1 car on Sunday as both were around 43s, he wasn't hanging about.

[slow ginn]

Good performance from EVO's Henry Catchpole in the Cayman.

really? .35 quicker than a 2.5 ton Rolls???

[Edmundo2]

marcgti6 said:

Great to see Noble and Reid top the time sheets.

I saw quick Nick's lap again during the Sky coverage.

Wow.

He was properly on the edge - the car was moving about all over the place. It sounded sooo good too!

I don't think his time will ever be beaten, do you?

Not unless they finally get some of the British Hillclimb Champ guys there! I think Moran, Summers, Willis, Hall, etc would have a good chance and would be interesting to see what Jos Goodyear could do even though down on max grunt vs the bigger engined cars. Take nothing away from Heidfelds run though as looked mega ...

[Stelvio1]

slow ginn said:

Good performance from EVO's Henry Catchpole in the Cayman.

really? .35 quicker than a 2.5 ton Rolls???

The problem is in the hands of an average driver the Cayman is a very, very ordinary performance car

[leglessAlex]

smilo996 said:

Well done Noble for winning and Noble and Aston putting Porsche firmly in their place.

Do you ever get sick of Porsche bashing?

The Noble is mental fast, I'd love one. Yes, it's rather conservative looking but I like that. Catchpole was taking no prisoners in the GT4...

[Stelvio1]

leglessAlex said:

smilo996 said:

Do you ever get sick of Porsche bashing?

No

[SlipStream77]

Joeguard1990 said:

SlipStream77 said:

I was at the first FOS and I've been numerous times since. My comment was really for the benefit of those that were trying to read something into the results.

Yes, so was mine haha, I wasn't responding to your original comment.
It more more directed to the guy who was slating the 918...

[david hockney]

jason61c said:

Nothing sounded as good as the Lexus though. Its such a special noise.

+1

I went to Goodwood and the Lexus LFA was a revelation- fantastic car.....
it obviously should be though- £340,000 at list and Lexus did not make any money on them....

[robm3]

Oh no, is Goodwood becoming the new Nurburgring and all the internet rubbish that goes along with that....

[BILL PAYER]

Never mind that,who won at Sarth just a coupe of weeks back ?

[Welshbeef]

Motors TV coverage was hugely better than sky. Firstly it was midday until 7pm say then 8.30am until 6pm Sunday. It didn't do any of the round the paddock instead every run was on it fantastic.


M600 superb effort that's nearly the same time as the Ferrari 312P (sp). You have to wonder if Noble could enter the car as it is into Le Mans and come away with a great result.


The M600 is without a question of doubt the modern Era F40

[williamp]

BILL PAYER said:

Never mind that,who won at Sarth just a coupe of weeks back ?

Neither rolls royce nor noble were compeating. But if they were....

[LasseV]

jason61c said:

Nothing sounded as good as the Lexus though. Its such a special noise.

And it was bloody fast too. I was little surprised about that. It is old supercar after all with n/a engine.

Cool car

[TuxMan]

Well done Noble and the M600 , brilliant car !!!

[suffolk009]

Not to take anything away from Henry's drive, but is a Porsche Cayman now really considered to be a supercar?

[jonby]

Welshbeef said:

Motors TV coverage was hugely better than sky. Firstly it was midday until 7pm say then 8.30am until 6pm Sunday. It didn't do any of the round the paddock instead every run was on it fantastic.


M600 superb effort that's nearly the same time as the Ferrari 312P (sp). You have to wonder if Noble could enter the car as it is into Le Mans and come away with a great result.


The M600 is without a question of doubt the modern Era F40

coverage on Motors was fine until the road legal / supercars

they didn't know what the Singer or SCG003 were (IMO, along with the Vulcan, the best cars at FOS) - they called them 'an old porsche' and 'an unknown black car they didn't recognise'

Then they called the F12 a 599 and a 488 was referred to as a 458

shockingly poor knowledge - one of the commentators at this time was head of the car section at the telegraph ....

[Buff Mchugelarge]

Great news for Noble

Good to see them get some headlines, always love the M600 but you rarely see them in the press.

[jonby]

Buff Mchugelarge said:

Great news for Noble

Good to see them get some headlines, always love the M600 but you rarely see them in the press.

It's a great car no doubt, far better built when you examine it in the flesh than you might imagine. It's also undoubtedly very quick. I love it and it's on my dream garage list

There are a few buts. The first is the comparisons to F40 - I have discussed this at length with 2 F40 owners who have owned their cars for a fair while and drive them a lot - they do not remotely agree with the comparison. They understand the idea that no ABS, relatively limited driving aids and turbocharging lead to the comparisons but to them, the comparisons are daft. That's not to say they think badly of the Noble, but they don't see the similarities

The incredible rawness of the F40 combined with the lag which becomes a feature of the car's driving style rather than a negative, are what for them makes the F40 and are lacking in the Noble. We've all seen mention of comparison to the F40 many times and I've never driven one, although I did spend one week behind one on a road trip last year ! I can only go with what the F40 owners have told me

The second but is that unfortunately, the performance advantage over similarly priced cars is no longer there. When the Noble came out, you couldn't buy cars with the performance of 650S/675LT/459 Speciale/488/F12/991 turbo S/Huracan/etc for similar money (and in many instances cheaper) than the M600. The more mainstream manufacturers of £200-250k cars have upped the game considerably since M600 launched and suddenly, VFM and performance advantages of M600 are not, in relative terms, quite so clear cut.

Put bluntly, when it launched, it was hypercar performance for supercar money. That's not really the case any longer. Of course it is manual, however I note that they have had more success in sales overseas, where demand has now dictated they bring out a 2 pedal option.....crying shame IMHO

Edited by jonby on Tuesday 30th June 09:27

[wtdoom]

Not sure I agree with the two f40 owners . When I met with Peter he explained that some people were calling it similar to what a modern f40 would be like . After driving the car at length ( think I did a write up in the noble section ) I think that's a pretty fair comment personally .

[jonby]

wtdoom said:

Not sure I agree with the two f40 owners . When I met with Peter he explained that some people were calling it similar to what a modern f40 would be like . After driving the car at length ( think I did a write up in the noble section ) I think that's a pretty fair comment personally .

I understand fully why people would make the comparison, as did the 2 owners - manual, more raw than most of the more 'mainstream' supercars & turbocharging seem to be the main reasons. But they are reasons on paper that sound good, however they don't necessarily reflect the driving experience. Perhaps one reason the owners felt the way they did is that M600, if I understand correctly and certainly according to Noble themselves, is nowhere near as difficult or intimidating to drive as it's specs might suggest, certainly relative to F40, which is part of what gives F0 it's character- you sweat driving it for 5 minutes, the boost can really catch you out, etc

Having said that, very little if anything is raw compared to F40 so as F40 owners, that may help explain their thoughts