RE: The £70K M3 CSL: Spotted
Discussion
Chapppers said:
iiNNeX said:
Silly price for this... Imagine what you could do to a normal M3, which you can pick up for around £12k or so for a good condition one.
Only for collectors and purists I guess :/
It's good that so many people still don't understand depreciation, I guess that's why new cars still get sold.Only for collectors and purists I guess :/
Please do go ahead and spunk £58k on a £12k M3, it would be fun to watch.
ETA: Yes I know it's a gamble on it being worth that in the future but it's a hell of a lot more likely than being able to sell £58k worth of modifications again...
Mike Rainbird said:
Mermaid said:
The 911 GT3 & the new GT4 are good alternatives to the mighty CSL. Any others?
Yep, the 991 GT3 RS is all the car I could ever want. If I could afford one, I would have it in a heartbeat over ANYTHING else. For me it is the [Jeremy Clarkson mode]the best car in the woooooorrld[/Jeremy Clarkson mode].I can in my GT3. 
This thread has been an interesting read. For a track friendly car (out of the box) with some practicality and character, the CSL is hard to beat.
How are gearboxes and clutches holding up with the SMG? I've read the gearchange can be pretty brutal in the S6 setting - does that lead to wear problems?
This thread has been an interesting read. For a track friendly car (out of the box) with some practicality and character, the CSL is hard to beat.
How are gearboxes and clutches holding up with the SMG? I've read the gearchange can be pretty brutal in the S6 setting - does that lead to wear problems?
braddo said:
I can in my GT3.
This thread has been an interesting read. For a track friendly car (out of the box) with some practicality and character, the CSL is hard to beat.
How are gearboxes and clutches holding up with the SMG? I've read the gearchange can be pretty brutal in the S6 setting - does that lead to wear problems?
Ok, you win - here's my £40k - where do I pick up the keys? This thread has been an interesting read. For a track friendly car (out of the box) with some practicality and character, the CSL is hard to beat.
How are gearboxes and clutches holding up with the SMG? I've read the gearchange can be pretty brutal in the S6 setting - does that lead to wear problems?
SMG's brutal in S5/S6, and not discreet in the lower modes either. It's not for road use, it does my head in. You have to really be into it, then you might get something out of it. It's a lot cheaper to lie face down on the floor and get a mate to drop a medicine ball on your back to be honest.
Edited by Rick H on Thursday 9th July 12:11
braddo said:
I can in my GT3.
This thread has been an interesting read. For a track friendly car (out of the box) with some practicality and character, the CSL is hard to beat.
How are gearboxes and clutches holding up with the SMG? I've read the gearchange can be pretty brutal in the S6 setting - does that lead to wear problems?
More pics please (best seats as well) This thread has been an interesting read. For a track friendly car (out of the box) with some practicality and character, the CSL is hard to beat.
How are gearboxes and clutches holding up with the SMG? I've read the gearchange can be pretty brutal in the S6 setting - does that lead to wear problems?
!The gear-change is brutal in the lower gears in S6, not had a clutch yet, but then I've never used the launch feature, as I don't want to put undue stress on the clutch. I even put it in neutral in when in slow moving stop-start traffic for same reason.
Subframe was done under warranty, but that was more a design fault than anything to do with the transmission (as manual cars also suffer same fate).
Mike Rainbird said:
More pics please (best seats as well) !
The gear-change is brutal in the lower gears in S6, not had a clutch yet, but then I've never used the launch feature, as I don't want to put undue stress on the clutch. I even put it in neutral in when in slow moving stop-start traffic for same reason.
Subframe was done under warranty, but that was more a design fault than anything to do with the transmission (as manual cars also suffer same fate).
The seats make the car for my use of it, I love 'em! !The gear-change is brutal in the lower gears in S6, not had a clutch yet, but then I've never used the launch feature, as I don't want to put undue stress on the clutch. I even put it in neutral in when in slow moving stop-start traffic for same reason.
Subframe was done under warranty, but that was more a design fault than anything to do with the transmission (as manual cars also suffer same fate).
Rick H said:
It's a lot cheaper to lie face down on the floor and get a mate to drop a medicine ball on your back to be honest.
Maybe it's less the gearbox and more the UJs in the propshaft and driveshafts that take the biggest pounding? Whichever, clearly it's a great and resilient drivetrain.Edited by braddo on Thursday 9th July 15:51
161BMW said:
All this CSL talk
I am not shy in admitting I would love to have one alongside my 36k mileage Manual CS
And my E30 325i Sport
Yes, I had a much smaller budget for an 03 BMW 3-SeriesI am not shy in admitting I would love to have one alongside my 36k mileage Manual CS
And my E30 325i Sport
Special CSL colour - check
Faster steering rack than M3 or CSL - check
Special factory uprated ARB - check
Light weight 1420kg with aircon - check
Stiffer Suspension and dampers than normal models - check
Special 'short' rear axle ratio - check
Special BMW performance with carbon fibre and stuff air box - check
Sounds better than normal M3 - check
Room for 3 more people - check
Seriously, though, I'll have to scrounge a passenger ride in Mike R's car one day
They sound great cars
braddo said:
Maybe it's less the gearbox and more the UJs in the propshaft and driveshafts that take the biggest pounding? Whichever, clearly it's a great and resilient drivetrain.s m said:
Yes, I had a much smaller budget for an 03 BMW 3-Series
Special CSL colour - check
Faster steering rack than M3 or CSL - check
Special factory uprated ARB - check
Light weight 1420kg with aircon - check
Stiffer Suspension and dampers than normal models - check
Special 'short' rear axle ratio - check
Special BMW performance with carbon fibre and stuff air box - check
Sounds better than normal M3 - check
Room for 3 more people - check
Seriously, though, I'll have to scrounge a passenger ride in Mike R's car one day
They sound great cars
Bring ear plugs LOL. The Supersprint is noisy (105dB static Special CSL colour - check
Faster steering rack than M3 or CSL - check
Special factory uprated ARB - check
Light weight 1420kg with aircon - check
Stiffer Suspension and dampers than normal models - check
Special 'short' rear axle ratio - check
Special BMW performance with carbon fibre and stuff air box - check
Sounds better than normal M3 - check
Room for 3 more people - check
Seriously, though, I'll have to scrounge a passenger ride in Mike R's car one day
They sound great cars
) so precludes the likes of Bedford, where they just laughed at me the first time I turned up to go on track there with it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc2fXc5VMdw
However, I'm loathe to swap it back, as the standard one weighs a tonne (and makes the car sound like an angry wasp LOL).
Fast forward to 50s for a flat-out fly-by - Supersprint sounds so much better
:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-x_Plc3U5E&li...
Edited by Mike Rainbird on Thursday 9th July 13:13
Mike Rainbird said:
Closest is a GT4, but that will cost you £75k for a decent spec one and still be down on seat space. Plus you will be waiting a LONG while for one (by which time, your CSL could be worth the £75k 
).
Basic car is circa £65k, and exceeds the CSL spec and is manual & a lot more powerful. ).How many use the rear seats/? Cayman comes with 2 boots
Not sure the wait will be that long - allocation will likely be ramped up for the UK next year. Doubt GT4 values will dip below the CSL, but not impossible.
Mermaid said:
Basic car is circa £65k, and exceeds the CSL spec and is manual & a lot more powerful.
How many use the rear seats/? Cayman comes with 2 boots
Not sure the wait will be that long - allocation will likely be ramped up for the UK next year. Doubt GT4 values will dip below the CSL, but not impossible.
You can't have it both ways How many use the rear seats/? Cayman comes with 2 boots
Not sure the wait will be that long - allocation will likely be ramped up for the UK next year. Doubt GT4 values will dip below the CSL, but not impossible.
. 24.5bhp isn't a LOT more powerful, but as it is also 55kg lighter, it gives an improvement in power to weight of 27bhp per tonne against the CSL.The CSL is 17bhp more powerful, but considering it is a MINIMUM of 110kg lighter (for the low specced M3s). However, the curb weight of the base model CSL is quoted at 1385kg (the higher spec cars 1425kg). The standard E46 M3 is quoted as having a curb weight of 1565kg, so the power to weight difference of a CSL compared to a normal M3 is 40bhp per tonne, now THAT is a big difference
.The GT4 with it's better spec manages a lap round the 'ring 8 seconds faster - not a huge difference compared to the 32 second difference between the CSL and ordinary M3
. s m said:
Mike Rainbird said:
Bring ear plugs LOL. The Supersprint is noisy (105dB static ) so precludes the likes of Bedford, where they just laughed at me the first time I turned up to go on track there with it.
What was up with the EVO mag CSL time round there? ) so precludes the likes of Bedford, where they just laughed at me the first time I turned up to go on track there with it.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff