RE: Audi R8 V10 Plus: Review

RE: Audi R8 V10 Plus: Review

Monday 13th July 2015

Audi R8 V10 Plus: Review

Meet the new R8, seemingly the same as the old R8 ... or is it?



The all-new Audi R8 then. Looks rather like the old one doesn't it! Audi admits as much, describing it as a "subtle but emphatic" evolution from the original.

The same but (a little bit) different? Kind of...
The same but (a little bit) different? Kind of...
If at first glance the looks seem familiar you'd be forgiven for thinking the same examining the spec sheet. Yes, it's still got a normally aspirated 5.2-litre V10 engine and the dual-clutch S Tronic gearbox powering a four-wheel drive chassis. This in a world where everyone else is going downsized and turbocharged. Not so much Vorsprung apparent in the Technik there then.

But under the skin there are quite a lot of changes. As you'll probably already know there isn't a V8 any more, or a manual. Both of those things might be considered a pity. Instead there are two V10 options, a 540hp standard one starting at £119,500 and a £134,500 610hp Plus version. If that latter figure sounds familiar it's the same as the Lamborghini Huracan with which the new R8 shares much of its fundamental architecture and powertrain. This includes the new 'hybrid' carbon enhanced MSS aluminium spaceframe, optional Dynamic Steering system (more on this shortly...) and dual direct and port fuel injection system. Referred to as Iniezione Diretta Stratificata in Lambo land in Audispeak this gets Germanised into the rather less emotive sounding Saugrohreinspritzung/direkteinspritzung but gains cylinder deactivation, shutting down a whole bank of cylinders when not required.

Obviously we went straight for the 610hp Plus...
Obviously we went straight for the 610hp Plus...
But since when did fuel saving tech come before performance when reviewing a 610hp supercar? Apologies! To business...

Reverting to type
When the first R8 came out it was something of a shock, looking and feeling like an Audi but most definitely not driving like one. From the rear-biased four-wheel drive chassis to the lush damping and lovely steering feel it was a huge departure from the typically fast but numb uber-Audi RS saloons and Avants. Once the crude R Tronic robotised manual was dropped in favour of the S Tronic dual clutch and the V10 unleashed the true potentialin the car it was clear Audi had nailed the usable supercar thing first time out and given the Porsche 911 its first real scare in decades. This new car is a whole lot more 'Audi' in look and feel and those migrating from other products in the range will be in for less of a culture shock than before. Plus it has stiffer competition than ever in the face of its own Lamborghini blood brother, newly turbocharged Ferraris, ever more potent Porsches and new arrivals in the sector like the 'entry level' McLaren 570S. It needs to be bloody good.

Fixed carbon wing and blades standard on Plus
Fixed carbon wing and blades standard on Plus
That engine is a massive and unexpected selling point too. With a 'modern' 4.0-litre inside-out turbo V8 in the product line up it was easy to assume Audi would seize this opportunity to give the R8 a significantly different character from the Huracan. But it hasn't, at least with a superficial glance at the spec sheets. If your relationship with the V10 is less intimate than it is in the Lamborghini - you're more isolated from the sniffs of induction and more mechanical interactions of the gearbox - the normally aspirated character is still at the heart of the R8 experience. And from a muted hum at cruising speeds to a thunderous 8,000rpm-plus howl at maximum attack it remains a truly epic powerplant. And one that will instantly score if you're back to back test-driving the competition, uncertain of where to put your £140K. Sure, you need to wind on more revs than the turbocharged rivals but when the reward is noise like this who's to complain...

As are ceramics - £7,700 option on standard V10
As are ceramics - £7,700 option on standard V10
Blades of glory
Evolutionary or not, the R8 still looks superb too. It's a pity the original's more distinctive visual feature - those sideblades - have been toned down but overall it's been subtly sharpened and made more aggressive looking, not least from the rear where the diffuser and visible mechanical components behind mesh venting have more than a hint of race car.

Which is appropriate given the R8 LMS was developed in parallel and shares as much as 50 per cent of its architecture. An N24 win just 10 weeks after unveiling and shortly before the debut of the road car gives this new car some instant credibility too, the fact it beat far more established and developed rivals first time out something of a coup. It's a bit like the annoying class swot acing their exams without breaking a sweat. But respect where it's due...

Silver blades and pop-up wing for standard car
Silver blades and pop-up wing for standard car
Powertrain and chassis changes for this second-generation car include a new electro-hydraulic clutch managing drive torque front to rear by as much as 100 per cent either way. OK, given the mechanical layout and lack of GT-R style twin propshafts you'd need a line lock to achieve this but it sounds good in the press pack. But in collaboration with the optional Dynamic Steering and magnetic dampers, the gearbox, ECU and stability control systems this gives the engineers a huge amount to play with in terms of configurability and, sure enough, there are modes aplenty to fiddle with from the button-laden steering wheel.

A la mode
The familiar Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual settings are available from Audi Drive Select but a new Performance Mode selector (optional on the V10, standard on V10 Plus) on the wheel gives you three further modes over and above these. Self explanatory Snow, Wet and Dry options override the Drive Select, which is handy because the latter partially disables the stability control and thereby gets around the fact Audi - in typical style - disables the ESP off button on its launch cars in an attempt to curb hacks' desire for skidfoolery on the circuit. Like Jurassic Park's dinosaurs nature always finds a way and there's enough latitude in this setting to put a smile on your face/get you into trouble according to talent and enthusiasm.

Cabin is beautifully designed and put together
Cabin is beautifully designed and put together
A further advantage of this setting is that it locks out the Dynamic Steering to a fixed rate of 13:1, preventing that gloopy inconsistency you get in the other modes as it wanders between 10.3:1 and 17.5:1 according to what the black boxes think you want. It's still nothing like as feelsome or predictable as the old hydraulic system but it's a lot faster and more direct than the fixed 15.7:1 ratio you get with the passive standard set-up. None of the launch cars had this but, on the face of it, this solution would silence the arguments against having the Dynamic Steering. If you like the sound of it you can bundle into a £3,500 Sports Plus pack with the optional magneto-rheological dampers and sports exhaust.

As stock the V10 Plus comes with a passive Sports suspension set-up, which even on seriously bumpy Portuguese back roads proves itself lithe, compliant and composed without a trace of harshness. The increased stiffness - a 40 per cent improvement is claimed - and 50kg weight saving gained from the carbon/aluminium spaceframe no doubt helps, the reduction in undamped body flex meaning the suspension can really work to its best ability. It's not actually as light as it feels though, the headline sub-1,500kg weight climbing to 1,630kg with fluids and not especially powerfully built 75kg driver.

Proportions familiar, detailing much sharper
Proportions familiar, detailing much sharper
Passive aggressive
The magnetic dampers are pretty damned good too and another gadget to play with if you really feel the need. But, frankly, the standard chassis is so good we'd save the money and invest it in some fancy carbon garnish in a rare instance of style being preferable to substance.

One of the more astonishing things about the R8 is its sheer breadth of character. The Huracan has a comparatively easier job, simply needing to be noisy and exciting even when mooching about at urban speeds. But the R8 has to deliver that kind of drama at one extreme while being as refined and user friendly as a TT on the daily commute. So hushed and composed is it in Comfort mode on the motorway there would be no qualms at all about using it this way but when you demand more it delivers in abundance. We've been guilty before of scepticism about this modern age of multitudinous modes and configurability but, in this instance, the technology is truly an enabler.

Proper USP compared with turbo rivals
Proper USP compared with turbo rivals
And when you really let rip with the full 610hp the R8 suddenly gets a whole lot more serious. It's still very 'safe' though, to the extent it can feel a little too accomplished and inert at speeds that really should be getting your palms a bit sweaty. With the steering in its dynamic mode the front end feels fast and pointy but there's very little sense of what's going on at tarmac level and it does all feel a bit games console like at times. Grip levels are so high that if you're starting to nudge against the chassis' limits on the road you probably have bigger concerns looming, be they the laws of physics or the local constabulary.

That engine remains your last emotional link with the speed the R8 is all too capable of, the Plus getting seven 'proper' ratios compared with the standard car's six-plus-overdrive set-up and feeling even more urgent than the additional 70hp suggests it should be. Gearchanges don't punch through like a Huracan in Corsa mode but rattling up and down the 'box and savouring the sounds this unleashes is a USP turbocharged rivals simply can't match.

More than a hint of LMS racer in rear view
More than a hint of LMS racer in rear view
Circuits and bumps
So to Portimao circuit and a chance to explore what lies beyond the R8's exemplary road pace... Really let off the leash the V10 reveals a hint of the savage side seen in the Huracan, launching out of the pit lane in a blaze of noise and rapid-fire upshifts. Portimao's first turn is a fast and committed blind right and if the steering doesn't give you a whole lot of weight or information the R8 immediately feels more positive at the front end than its Lamborghini brother, eagerly pushing through initial understeer and into a subtle rotation under power.

Front-end push is more obvious on the tighter right that follows and the blind crest after that unweights the tyres just when you want maximum turning force. Hold your nerve and the R8 hauls itself straight and shows brilliant stability in the brutal downhill stop from 120mph and into a tight hairpin left. A lift tucks the nose into the apex and from there if you've timed it right and managed to keep it in the sweet spot of the torque delivery it erupts out of the turn with just a hint of oversteer as the power shuffles to the rear.

Power seats on standard, fixed-back for Plus
Power seats on standard, fixed-back for Plus
Barely a few corners in and your faith in the R8's predictability and balance means you're happy keeping it pinned through the blind fast left and again into the next blind crest, taken with just a hint of corrective lock. This is clever stuff. Confidence inspiring and fun without being at all dumbed down the R8 feels thrillingly fast yet satisfying for drivers of all experience levels. It's a little on the conservative side of a 911 Turbo and with experience of the 12C and 650S you'd expect the new McLaren 570S to be a bit pointier and hardcore in extremis. But it's considerably more adjustable, lively and enjoyable than the Huracan on the track, making you wonder why Lamborghini played it so safe.

By the last corner - a long, fast right-hander - the R8 is so biddable a nip, tuck and bootful of throttle to provoke a lovely four-wheel drift seems an entirely natural thing to be doing.

Standard LED lights upgradeable to laser versions
Standard LED lights upgradeable to laser versions
That the R8 can do this while boasting all the Audi stuff you'd expect of a lovely interior, mature styling that won't frighten the neighbours and inherent sense of quality sets a very high bar. In the final few per cent of the performance envelope a 911 Turbo would probably remain the benchmark in this particular sphere but the R8 at least equals it in all-weather usability while boasting a useful character feature in that fabulous engine. That might well tip the balance for many, the fact the premium for the Plus is a relatively modest £15,000 making that seemingly the obvious pick of the range. It's not the hardcore choice. But it is a pretty formidable all-round package.


AUDI R8 5.2 V10
Engine: 5,201cc V10
Transmission: 7-speed dual clutch, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 540@7,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 398@6,500rpm
0-62mph: 3.5sec
Top speed: 199mph
Weight: 1,670kg (EU, including 75kg driver)
MPG: 24.8mpg
CO2: 272g/km
Price: £118,500

AUDI R8 5.2 V10 PLUS
Engine:
 5,201cc V10
Transmission: 7-speed dual clutch, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 610@8,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 413@6,500rpm*
0-62mph: 3.2sec
Top speed: 205mph
Weight: 1,630kg (EU, including 75kg driver)
MPG: 23mpg
CO2: 287g/km*
Price: £134,500

A lap of Portimao in the R8 V10 Plus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Discussion

k-ink

Original Poster:

9,070 posts

179 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Sounds like yet another modern car ruined by crap steering. Way to go Audi.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Hate to admit it, but that red Plus looks absolutely stunning to these eyes.

dinkel

26,953 posts

258 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Looks like a lot of bang for the buck. And what a glorious track Portimao is.

Wilmslowboy

4,212 posts

206 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I'm a huge audi fan...(currently on my second RS4)

But really a new one of these or a 2-3 year old mclaren 12c ...not really that difficult a choice...

It may be sold as a bargain Hurracan, but it doesn't quite capture the drama, looks and badge of a super "supercar"



Saying all that still on the look out for a used S tronic v10 Spyder lick

dinkel

26,953 posts

258 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I guess the market isnt the supercar buyer but the 'Im bored with my 5th 911' public.

Hardly a visual match for the evil twin Lambo blood. Im sure it will be a morecomforting drive albeit seriously quick.

dinkel

26,953 posts

258 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Looks like a lot of bang for the buck. And what a glorious track Portimao is.

Wilmslowboy

4,212 posts

206 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Makes a great alternative to a 911 turbo for those that don't need 2 extra small seats....

mikearwas

1,112 posts

159 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I don't mean to be rude but the peddling in that video was very poor. It made it difficult to understand the prevailing balance. It looked quite understeery to me but that could well have been the frankly rubbish throttle control mid corner. Anyone else feel the same?

kambites

67,580 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Why on earth would you put the engine start/stop button on the steering wheel? It's hardly something you need to be able to reach quickly whilst driving.

zeDuffMan

4,055 posts

151 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Wilmslowboy said:
But really a new one of these or a 2-3 year old mclaren 12c ...not really that difficult a choice...
I disagree. That V10 would be a huge pull for me.

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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kambites said:
Why on earth would you put the engine start/stop button on the steering wheel? It's hardly something you need to be able to reach quickly whilst driving.
Yes, it's quite silly really...Audi are far from the only ones though; It'll have been designed that way to appeal to Joe Average (it looks and sounds flashy) rather than enthusiasts. That's why most so-called sports cars are heading down the Mercedes SL (luxury barge) and PlayStation route...and also why this supposed driver's car is yet another to lose the option of a manual gearbox.

Still, at least the V10's still alive and I'd still much rather drive one of these than an i8.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

187 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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zeDuffMan said:
Wilmslowboy said:
But really a new one of these or a 2-3 year old mclaren 12c ...not really that difficult a choice...
I disagree. That V10 would be a huge pull for me.
Likewise. I acknowledge the fact it's an incredibly good car but I personally find the 12C incredibly dull.

Adam B

27,256 posts

254 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Wilmslowboy said:
Makes a great alternative to a 911 turbo for those that don't need 2 extra small seats....
Agree

Don't understand the comparisons with 488 or Huracan which are a price point above and far more single purpose. This will be chosen over a 570 or 911 turbo, Audi hoping the good looks and noise/character of that V10 provide a counter argument to the inevitable badge snobbery.

PunterCam

1,073 posts

195 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Very nice I'm sure, but is it any better than the old one?

I'm not sure it looks as nice, it's auto only, the interior is still very dull... The article touched on it, but (and I hate myself for saying this as I'm entirely pro-n/a), but it probably should have been the new turbo v8 in this car. I think it would have moved the game on a bit, and given Audi a proper everyday supercar. As it is... It's £30,000 more expensive than the last one was on launch (fking hell!), and I bet it feels and goes largely the same. It's not like the R8 is a car that's really dated.. It still rides, goes and handles with the best.

I guess the issue is you're then selling a twin turbo v8 supercar with (say) 550bhp, which is a £1000 re-map away from 700bhp, and Lambo wouldn't have liked that!


port13

15 posts

125 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Have to ask: What does USP stand for?

steveirl

276 posts

212 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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port13 said:
Have to ask: What does USP stand for?
Unique selling point

Bencolem

1,018 posts

239 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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With the new A4 and now this R8 it seems Audi are truly stuck in a styling rut much like BMW over a decade ago - and that led to Bangleism!

kambites

67,580 posts

221 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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Bencolem said:
With the new A4 and now this R8 it seems Audi are truly stuck in a styling rut much like BMW over a decade ago
Given how monumentally ugly most modern cars are, IMO, that's not a bad thing.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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mikearwas said:
I don't mean to be rude but the peddling in that video was very poor. It made it difficult to understand the prevailing balance. It looked quite understeery to me but that could well have been the frankly rubbish throttle control mid corner. Anyone else feel the same?
I think you might have had a few Sunday lunch pints and have become suddenly a handy driver overlooked by the profession. Feel free to send your credit card details to PH so you can watch Andre Lotterer next time.


Getting back to the styling, the first Audi R8 looked like a super car compared to it's little brothers and sisters what with the different nose and side panels. This is starting to look like a bigger TT. Which is not something you want when you are spending £100k plus.


kmpowell

2,928 posts

228 months

Sunday 12th July 2015
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I landed in Faro yesterday lunchtime and saw them all waiting to go out on their test drives.

In all honesty the design left me a bit cold, and the 'plus' makes the regular one look rather bland, but the noise they make is wonderful!

A few phone pics in the peak day 40deg sun...