Celica vvtli 190 or Seat Leon cupra 1.8 turbo
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Hi guys, I currently have an X reg Leon cupra its very smokey and it needs a lambda sensor and possibly a turbo iv been quoted £550 to fix it however theres a chance that I can get a celica vvtli 190 for £800. I havent had the Leon long and it seems a bit boring other than the turbo noises however iv heard that the celica may have oil consumption issues (its a 2000 model 190).
Should I keep the Leon or try the celica?
Should I keep the Leon or try the celica?
The Spruce goose said:
Not had a celica but can't imagine it sets the world alight.
Have you had the fault codes read on the Seat, as a turbo going would be making a lot of noise. I've had a few vag 1.8t and there isn't much noise but a pokey engine, all had remaps.
Faults came back as a lambda sensor car puts out lots of grey/blue smoke when revved it also makes a whistling/whooshing sound but i put that down to the induction kit and it uses loads of oil. The engine was what attracted me to the leon in the first place and it seems like quite a good engine other than the turbo issues. Have you had the fault codes read on the Seat, as a turbo going would be making a lot of noise. I've had a few vag 1.8t and there isn't much noise but a pokey engine, all had remaps.
I owned a Leon Cupra back in 2001 from new - efficient, capable, engine thats as dull as ditchwater - all of those things
I picked up a 116k mile Celica T Sport (190)3 months ago to replace a Clio 182. People quite understandably rave about the Clios handling, in my opinion the Celica is every bit as capable and fun
The engine doesn't need to be revved like crazy as most people state - in normal driving there is no need to go anywhere near the 6200rpm lift zone - I haven't seen less than 34mpg out of mine yet so also pretty fuel efficient
A friend of mine is probably the most knowledgeable person in Europe on Toyota engines - he trains master tech's across Europe - his view is that the 190 engine is as near unbreakable as you get an engine - good enough for me
I picked up a 116k mile Celica T Sport (190)3 months ago to replace a Clio 182. People quite understandably rave about the Clios handling, in my opinion the Celica is every bit as capable and fun
The engine doesn't need to be revved like crazy as most people state - in normal driving there is no need to go anywhere near the 6200rpm lift zone - I haven't seen less than 34mpg out of mine yet so also pretty fuel efficient
A friend of mine is probably the most knowledgeable person in Europe on Toyota engines - he trains master tech's across Europe - his view is that the 190 engine is as near unbreakable as you get an engine - good enough for me
confused_buyer said:
Very underrated car the Celica, and very well built as well. If it is all working £800 is a bit of a steal for a nice 190.
One of the best cars I ever owned.Weak points for me was the brakes and the seats were bloody awful. Only sold it because I've a disability and it was becoming difficult/uncomfortable to drive.
Still miss it.
I badly miss my Celica. It was a 2000 car, sold it a couple of years ago. Despite it's crazy appetite for oil I'd buy another tomorrow. A nice combination of a bit of pace, solid looks, comfort and reliable enough. I'd go as far to say I'm actually considering buying another. They seem to be very, very cheap these days.
dabofoppo said:
Faults came back as a lambda sensor car puts out lots of grey/blue smoke when revved it also makes a whistling/whooshing sound but i put that down to the induction kit and it uses loads of oil. The engine was what attracted me to the leon in the first place and it seems like quite a good engine other than the turbo issues.
Sounds like seals have gone in the turbo - needs replacing/refurbishing. Not cheap.kambites said:
I've often wondered why the Celica gets so little credit as a drivers' car. Sure it's no Integra Type-R, but it's one of the better FWD coupes out there; easily a match for the Alfa GTV, Fiat Coupe and mk2 Audi TT.
I realise that this is in no way a scientific observation, but I've seen a clip of an Mk3 Mr2 running a 2ZZ engine and it looked and sounded slow. Certainly slower than I'd have expected 190bhp in a sub 1000kg car to look.So extrapolating that, a Celica which is 300kg (?) heavier, must be fairly mediocre in a straight line.
As I say, rather unscientific
TheJimi said:
I realise that this is in no way a scientific observation, but I've seen a clip of an Mk3 Mr2 running a 2ZZ engine and it looked and sounded slow. Certainly slower than I'd have expected 190bhp in a sub 1000kg car to look.
So extrapolating that, a Celica which is 300kg (?) heavier, must be fairly mediocre in a straight line.
As I say, rather unscientific
A 190 Celica is sub 1200kk so hardly a heavyweight bruiserSo extrapolating that, a Celica which is 300kg (?) heavier, must be fairly mediocre in a straight line.
As I say, rather unscientific
TheJimi said:
kambites said:
Yes, it's not a drag racer but then nor are its competition.
I'd be very surprised if an ITR wasn't decently quicker.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff