RE: Advanced and Performance Driving - how to

RE: Advanced and Performance Driving - how to

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Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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R_U_LOCAL said:
Burwood said:
Just asking. Does R U local subscribe to 'all accidents are avoidable and partly your fault'. I've heard that said before by traffic police.
Not really - it's a bit of a simplistic phrase to be honest.

Although I do believe there are lots of things you can do to mitigate against the vast majority of accidents. Good observations, concentration, planning and anticipation can prevent most accidents, but if someone is going to stuff in to you when you're stationary in traffic thee's not a lot you can do about it.

I was a traffic officer for about 5 years, during which time I dealt with literally hundreds of RTCs, ranging from minor, damage only shunts through to multiple fatal bumps. I always liked to look at accidents from the point of view of the "innocent" party (or parties) and imagine whether - if I'd have been in their position - I'd have been able to spot the impending crash and avoid it.

Out of all the accidents I attended I can think of two which I wouldn't have been able to avoid.

So no, not all accidents are avoidable.

But most are.
I'd agree with you. The comment was made during a defensive driving course I did. Must have been 20 years ago. The traffic officer stuck to this philosophy which at the time thought incorrect. I still do.most not all

fullleather

228 posts

122 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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Its not hard passing stools, wait for clear spot and off you go, 3rd gear never lets me down on any road.

R_U_LOCAL

2,681 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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fullleather said:
Its not hard passing stools, wait for clear spot and off you go, 3rd gear never lets me down on any road.


court said:
RUL - I've just purchased it but just out of interest do you receive anything if lent from Kindle Unlimited or the Kindle lending library with Prime?
I do, yes. There is a "global fund" held by Amazon and authors get a small portion of the fund. Until recently it was divvied out based on number of lends per month, but thats now been changed to a formula based on how many pages have been read by the borrowers.

It's membership of this global fund which requires me to be locked in to an exclusive contract with Amazon for the ebook, but I don't get very much from it and I''m considering opting out so that I can offer the book on other ebook platforms.

Guiseley

197 posts

170 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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Purchased and reading via Kindle in the sunshine, smiling at the one-liners.

The bit on laughing at the plonkers rather than ranting is a good tip, and I'll try to remember that as I drive through Bradford , which is our local crap driving hot spot.

Can't understand why anyone thinks this advice is taking the fun out of driving - unless they like skids and airbags maybe. Put it down to a random internet rant I guess.

P.s. Be equally funny on Twitter as you've just got another stalker.

Guiseley

197 posts

170 months

Saturday 8th August 2015
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Purchased and reading via Kindle in the sunshine, smiling at the one-liners.

The bit on laughing at the plonkers rather than ranting is a good tip, and I'll try to remember that as I drive through Bradford , which is our local crap driving hot spot.

Can't understand why anyone thinks this advice is taking the fun out of driving - unless they like skids and airbags maybe. Put it down to a random internet rant I guess.

P.s. Be equally funny on Twitter as you've just got another stalker.

corcoran

536 posts

275 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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This should be required reading for all drivers who currently drive inside the M25 and have only ever driven inside the M25.

Scottie - NW

1,290 posts

234 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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R_U_LOCAL said:
Not really - it's a bit of a simplistic phrase to be honest.

Although I do believe there are lots of things you can do to mitigate against the vast majority of accidents. Good observations, concentration, planning and anticipation can prevent most accidents, but if someone is going to stuff in to you when you're stationary in traffic thee's not a lot you can do about it.

I was a traffic officer for about 5 years, during which time I dealt with literally hundreds of RTCs, ranging from minor, damage only shunts through to multiple fatal bumps. I always liked to look at accidents from the point of view of the "innocent" party (or parties) and imagine whether - if I'd have been in their position - I'd have been able to spot the impending crash and avoid it.

Out of all the accidents I attended I can think of two which I wouldn't have been able to avoid.

So no, not all accidents are avoidable.

But most are.
That's a good honest answer.

We have to do IAM assessments in work which are good, and if more people in IAM gave answers like you I'd probably join. However, local members of the IAM suck all the joy out of driving.

Will get this book at some points, considering most monthly mags are £5 now it's fairly priced.

lostkiwi

4,584 posts

125 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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Been reading this on my kindle the last couple of days and I have to say its a good read.
Drove into work this morning trying some of the techniques - most are quite easy but some take real concentration and effort to break the habits of nearly 40 years.
Loving the humorous quips and digs at some other road users (you really don't like motorbikes do you 'Reg'?).
I have a friend who is a copper in the Lincs force - he has obviously done the basic course and uses those techniques daily. He commented once how we use similar techniques but mine are subtly different having come from a motorsport background.

R_U_LOCAL

2,681 posts

209 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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lostkiwi said:
Loving the humorous quips and digs at some other road users (you really don't like motorbikes do you 'Reg'?).
I know I have a few digs at motorbikerists in the book, but I've actually got a lot of time for most motorcyclists - they tend to be more aware and observant than other road users and they're usually genuine enthusiasts. Whenever I've taught a motorcyclist, they've generally made very good drivers (with a few adjustments).

There are, however, a small minority of motorcyclists that I have issues with - I've never understood the mentality of people who, when they're already one of the most vulnerable road users, then throw all remaining caution to the wind and ride in a style only really suited to a race track or closed circuit with little, and often no margin for error.

Motorbikes are fantastic fun, but come on lads and lasses - they're not worth dying for.

wst

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3,494 posts

162 months

Monday 10th August 2015
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Scottie - NW said:
We have to do IAM assessments in work which are good, and if more people in IAM gave answers like you I'd probably join. However, local members of the IAM suck all the joy out of driving.
My IAM observer had his flat cap firmly jammed down on his head yet didn't encourage doddering. Well, compared to "recently passed test"-wst's pace anyway.

monthefish

20,443 posts

232 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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the article said:
Sceptics or those on the receiving end of some of the more pompous advice dished out by 'advanced drivers' in the real or virtual world will be reassured by his introduction too.
Aside from the good advice given, R U Local's strength has always been in the non-pompous, non- 'holier than thou' way he delivers the advice.
Delighted he's has such a success with his book - well deserved.
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monthefish

20,443 posts

232 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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Scottie - NW said:
R_U_LOCAL said:
Not really - it's a bit of a simplistic phrase to be honest.

Although I do believe there are lots of things you can do to mitigate against the vast majority of accidents. Good observations, concentration, planning and anticipation can prevent most accidents, but if someone is going to stuff in to you when you're stationary in traffic thee's not a lot you can do about it.

I was a traffic officer for about 5 years, during which time I dealt with literally hundreds of RTCs, ranging from minor, damage only shunts through to multiple fatal bumps. I always liked to look at accidents from the point of view of the "innocent" party (or parties) and imagine whether - if I'd have been in their position - I'd have been able to spot the impending crash and avoid it.

Out of all the accidents I attended I can think of two which I wouldn't have been able to avoid.

So no, not all accidents are avoidable.

But most are.
That's a good honest answer.

We have to do IAM assessments in work which are good, and if more people in IAM gave answers like you I'd probably join. However, local members of the IAM suck all the joy out of driving.

Will get this book at some points, considering most monthly mags are £5 now it's fairly priced.
A good driver doesn't make mistakes.
A great driver also accounts for the mistakes made by others.

Rick101

6,970 posts

151 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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I've said before it's a great read. Recommended it to one of my RoADAR driver friends. Didn't recommend it to the riders though as I felt it is quite anti biker.

Looking forward to Part 2.

monthefish

20,443 posts

232 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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I have my bike licence and I'm definitely not 'anti-bike', but I find bikers - in the main - to be very poor road users.

R_U_LOCAL

2,681 posts

209 months

Wednesday 12th August 2015
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monthefish said:
A good driver doesn't make mistakes.
A great driver also accounts for the mistakes made by others.
A good driver will always make mistakes, believe me. You won't notice them as much, but they'll always be there.

Even the greatest drivers make mistakes.

A good driver will, however, always use their mistakes as learning opportunities and store them in their ever increasing bank of experience for future reference.

As for other people's mistakes, as you improve, you'll go from reacting to other's mistakes to anticipating them, to anticipating them and dealing with them - often before the other driver actually makes them. This type of anticipation and planning can turn the stresses of modern driving into more of an enjoyable experience as you learn to spot the clues that someone is about to get things wrong.

I love seeing my predictions come true!

ewand

775 posts

215 months

Saturday 29th August 2015
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Bought the paperback to read on holiday, and it's been very enjoyable. I could pick holes in the use of punctuation a bit, but let's not let that spoil things ;-) Well done, Reg.

Putting the tips into practice soon will be interesting... currently in Sorrento and planning a drive along the Amalfi coast tomorrow. I've never seen such madness on the roads as in this part of Italy, and the scooter riders take some beating!!

Edited by ewand on Saturday 29th August 18:47

Reg Local

2,681 posts

209 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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A quick thread resurrection to let you know that I've just published my second book "How Not to Crash".

I've researched UK accident statistics in detail and written some straightforward advice on how to avoid the most common causes of road accidents. It's not just for enthusiasts - it's for any driver of any abiliy level.

It's available in ebook and paperback formats here:

How Not to Crash

As usual, you can read the first couple of chapters for free.

Just be careful with the pricing of the paperback. Amazon have been messing about with the price - don't pay any more than £11.99.

R0G

4,986 posts

156 months

Reg Local

2,681 posts

209 months

Sunday 24th April 2016
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R0G

4,986 posts

156 months

Monday 25th April 2016
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22 years may have passed but I bet its still raw !

Nothing I can say to you will help ...........