Why are people buying expensive diesels?
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ZX10R NIN said:
jbsportstech said:
Sounds real in the Mdonalds carpark and your 18!
173mph for the Alpina D3 so a 535d with some serious work 180mph is do able.Newer more powerful engine, more aggressive remap and modding and its got to be the north side of 175MPH.
Mind you, if you're used to a Zafira or similar it probably does sound quite fantastical.
Edited by daemon on Saturday 3rd October 19:17
matsoc said:
There is a lot of people claiming low consumption with petrol and I am not saying it is impossible, especially with the engines built during the last years, but personally I don't see the point of driving an expensive petrol engined car trying to achieve the best possible consumption.
I must be doing something wrong. I'm not claiming to be a WRC driver but I'm a pretty enthusiastic driver yet I simply can't get through the amount of petrol some people claim to.How the hell can people use so much? I rev mine. I use a lot of throttle opening. I accelerate hard often and overtake several times per day (single carriageway) and generally have lots of need to speed up and slow down. I.e. the worst possible way to save fuel.
I just don't care about fuel consumption. I use it and I fill it up again. Rinse and repeat.
I've yet to achieve the sort of horrendous averages diesel owners think petrol cars manage, and that's with some pretty big engines too, not puny little 2.nobodycares 4-pots. You must all drive around everywhere with the hand brake on and stuck in 2nd gear.
ZX10R NIN said:
I agree but others were implying it was impossible, also would a 407bhp petrol 550i be any quicker to 180mph?
Both have auto boxes the diesel will counter the petrol's ability to rev with monster torque, even as the torque tails off the diesel will still be producing more torque.
I think the comment was a simple remap away....Both have auto boxes the diesel will counter the petrol's ability to rev with monster torque, even as the torque tails off the diesel will still be producing more torque.
Just buy an M5
ZX10R NIN said:
I agree but others were implying it was impossible, also would a 407bhp petrol 550i be any quicker to 180mph?
Both have auto boxes the diesel will counter the petrol's ability to rev with monster torque, even as the torque tails off the diesel will still be producing more torque.
Stock vs. stock the current 550i produces more torque than the current 535d and it produces that for twice as long, why do you keep making stuff up? I do find your attempts to try and out match a 4.4V8 TT petrol engine with 450ps with a 3.0 6 pot diesel with 313ps rather strange. Both have auto boxes the diesel will counter the petrol's ability to rev with monster torque, even as the torque tails off the diesel will still be producing more torque.
What petrolhead when faced with the keys to both would choose the diesel?
All this remap nonsense....so desperate.
Wills2 said:
Stock vs. stock the current 550i produces more torque than the current 535d and it produces that for twice as long, why do you keep making stuff up? I do find your attempts to try and out match a 4.4V8 TT petrol engine with 450ps with a 3.0 6 pot diesel with 313ps rather strange.
What petrolhead when faced with the keys to both would choose the diesel?
All this remap nonsense....so desperate.
If you bothered to read my post you'd see I quoted the 407bhp 450lbft 550i I was also comparing it to a highly modified 420bhp 810lbft 535d.What petrolhead when faced with the keys to both would choose the diesel?
All this remap nonsense....so desperate.
I was comparing similar bhp outputs & asked the question would the 550i get to 180mph any quicker than the modified 535d, that's it.
If I wanted to compare stock for stock then I'd compare the 535i vs the 535d.
As a person who has a few V8's I like petrol but if I was to looking a car like the OP described which was a cooking Panamera for 50K then I'd happily take the diesel over the petrol car in that scenario.
Panamera 3.6 PDK
300bhp 295lbft 0-60mph 6.1 Secs 161mph Top Speed
3.0TD PDK
300bhp 442lbft 0-60mph 6.0 Secs 160mph Top Speed
A remap doesn't give you 420bhp
So far from desperate just being objective.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 3rd October 19:03
ZX10R NIN said:
If you bothered to read my post you'd see I quoted the 407bhp 450lbft 550i I was also comparing it to a highly modified 420bhp 810lbft 535d.
I was comparing similar bhp outputs & asked the question would the 550i get to 180mph any quicker than the modified 535d, that's it.
If I wanted to compare stock for stock then I'd compare the 535i vs the 535d.
As a person who has a few V8's I like petrol but if I was to looking a car like the OP described which was a cooking Panamera for 50K then I'd happily take the diesel over the petrol car in that scenario.
Panamera 3.6 PDK
300bhp 295lbft 0-60mph 6.1 Secs 161mph Top Speed
3.0TD PDK
300bhp 442lbft 0-60mph 6.0 Secs 160mph Top Speed
A remap doesn't give you 420bhp
So far from desperate just being objective.
Why is that petrol engine so hopeless? It must be a turbo, right? So why so little power and torque? Bizarre.I was comparing similar bhp outputs & asked the question would the 550i get to 180mph any quicker than the modified 535d, that's it.
If I wanted to compare stock for stock then I'd compare the 535i vs the 535d.
As a person who has a few V8's I like petrol but if I was to looking a car like the OP described which was a cooking Panamera for 50K then I'd happily take the diesel over the petrol car in that scenario.
Panamera 3.6 PDK
300bhp 295lbft 0-60mph 6.1 Secs 161mph Top Speed
3.0TD PDK
300bhp 442lbft 0-60mph 6.0 Secs 160mph Top Speed
A remap doesn't give you 420bhp
So far from desperate just being objective.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 3rd October 19:03
ZX10R NIN said:
Wills2 said:
Stock vs. stock the current 550i produces more torque than the current 535d and it produces that for twice as long, why do you keep making stuff up? I do find your attempts to try and out match a 4.4V8 TT petrol engine with 450ps with a 3.0 6 pot diesel with 313ps rather strange.
What petrolhead when faced with the keys to both would choose the diesel?
All this remap nonsense....so desperate.
If you bothered to read my post you'd see I quoted the 407bhp 450lbft 550i I was also comparing it to a highly modified 420bhp 810lbft 535d.What petrolhead when faced with the keys to both would choose the diesel?
All this remap nonsense....so desperate.
I was comparing similar bhp outputs & asked the question would the 550i get to 180mph any quicker than the modified 535d, that's it.
If I wanted to compare stock for stock then I'd compare the 535i vs the 535d.
As a person who has a few V8's I like petrol but if I was to looking a car like the OP described which was a cooking Panamera for 50K then I'd happily take the diesel over the petrol car in that scenario.
Panamera 3.6 PDK
300bhp 295lbft 0-60mph 6.1 Secs 161mph Top Speed
3.0TD PDK
300bhp 442lbft 0-60mph 6.0 Secs 160mph Top Speed
A remap doesn't give you 420bhp
So far from desperate just being objective.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 3rd October 19:03
Highly modified vs. not even current stock cars, Jesus wept.....like I said desperate.
ORD said:
ZX10R NIN said:
If you bothered to read my post you'd see I quoted the 407bhp 450lbft 550i I was also comparing it to a highly modified 420bhp 810lbft 535d.
I was comparing similar bhp outputs & asked the question would the 550i get to 180mph any quicker than the modified 535d, that's it.
If I wanted to compare stock for stock then I'd compare the 535i vs the 535d.
As a person who has a few V8's I like petrol but if I was to looking a car like the OP described which was a cooking Panamera for 50K then I'd happily take the diesel over the petrol car in that scenario.
Panamera 3.6 PDK
300bhp 295lbft 0-60mph 6.1 Secs 161mph Top Speed
3.0TD PDK
300bhp 442lbft 0-60mph 6.0 Secs 160mph Top Speed
A remap doesn't give you 420bhp
So far from desperate just being objective.
Why is that petrol engine so hopeless? It must be a turbo, right? So why so little power and torque? Bizarre.I was comparing similar bhp outputs & asked the question would the 550i get to 180mph any quicker than the modified 535d, that's it.
If I wanted to compare stock for stock then I'd compare the 535i vs the 535d.
As a person who has a few V8's I like petrol but if I was to looking a car like the OP described which was a cooking Panamera for 50K then I'd happily take the diesel over the petrol car in that scenario.
Panamera 3.6 PDK
300bhp 295lbft 0-60mph 6.1 Secs 161mph Top Speed
3.0TD PDK
300bhp 442lbft 0-60mph 6.0 Secs 160mph Top Speed
A remap doesn't give you 420bhp
So far from desperate just being objective.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 3rd October 19:03
Fastdruid said:
I think it's NA but still pretty pathetic, I mean if GM can come out with a 3.6l NA V6 making 335hp I'd have expected more out of Porsche.
It's because it's an NA lump the 2014 onwards has the 3.0tfsi lump in which is a more respectable 420bhp but keeping inside the OP's budget he only gets the NA car for the cash at which point I'd take the diesel every single time, it's the same with the Cayenne even though they're both V8's the diesel is the better option.In some cases the diesel is the better option, when buying a normal everyday car for commuting & general driving the difference between a 535d vs 535i it's to small to make a difference.
ORD said:
Yeah. And who cares whether you poison the local environment as long as it saves you a few miserable quid, huh?
Humanity is pretty depressing.
It is because if we concentrated on keeping traffic flowing rather than slowing it down with traffic lights etc, taking away road space by putting in wider pavements cycle super highways changing traffic flow (Trafalger sq etc) 20mph speed limits.Humanity is pretty depressing.
These are all things that effect the local environment, also if we paid countries like Brazil & India not to cut down there forests etc the would also make a big difference to the air you breath.
So I take it you drive an EV, the air quality isn't great in other countries that have petrol cars, by the way it's not just a few quid in the case of the Panamera it's around 5-6k over two years & gets bigger the longer you keep the car.
Also even TFL have admitted that they'll only be charging cars £20 that aren't euro4 compliant in 2020 which means most diesels will still be paying £10.
None of the above has anything to do with the OP's question but hey.
So I take it in the OP's circumstances you'd buy the petrol option despite it losing you a lump of cash, I'll say this you're a better man than me, I'd take the diesel every time in those circumstances.
Luckily I have a choice so I drive or ride dependent on my journey.
daemon said:
ORD said:
Yeah. And who cares whether you poison the local environment as long as it saves you a few miserable quid, huh?
Humanity is pretty depressing.
And your car is the epitome of caring humanity is it?Humanity is pretty depressing.
ORD said:
daemon said:
And your car is the epitome of caring humanity is it?
Yep. Thanks for asking. The only meaningful pollution from it is CO2 and I more than pay for that in VED and petrol tax. If nobody uses that money sensibly, that's hardly my fault. And of course, it could be argued that the "its hardly my fault" mentality is a big part of the problem.
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