pilot super sports - Still the tyre to go for?
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nickfrog said:
I would consider the Yokohama 105 rather than these as the stiffer sidewalls will take track abuse better and probably give you better feedback.
About £200 cheaper than a set of MPSS as well. Last set of Yokohamas I bought were on a Sierra Cosworth years ago "Paradas" I thought they were more of a middle to budget tyre like Toyo. Have read some reviews on the 105 and they fair pretty well in all the tests but I've not found a test where they were up against MPSS or Conti 6. cosworth330 said:
Have read some reviews on the 105 and they fair pretty well in all the tests but I've not found a test where they were up against MPSS or Conti 6.
Here you go:http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2016-AutoBild...
jon- said:
cosworth330 said:
Have read some reviews on the 105 and they fair pretty well in all the tests but I've not found a test where they were up against MPSS or Conti 6.
Here you go:http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2016-AutoBild...
cosworth330 said:
jon- said:
cosworth330 said:
Have read some reviews on the 105 and they fair pretty well in all the tests but I've not found a test where they were up against MPSS or Conti 6.
Here you go:http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2016-AutoBild...
Ignoring wear which I couldn't track, the CPC is the better tyre. Higher grip in dry and wet, quieter, more comfortable.
Which tyre am I going to keep on the M3? The MPSS. Ever so slightly less grip, but better steering feel and balance make it a more enjoyable performance tyre.
If I can't shoot the video this week I'll put the full write up online without video.
jon- said:
I was meant to be shooting my MPSS vs CPC6 video this week, but the car has a technical issue so now it will be delayed.
Ignoring wear which I couldn't track, the CPC is the better tyre. Higher grip in dry and wet, quieter, more comfortable.
Which tyre am I going to keep on the M3? The MPSS. Ever so slightly less grip, but better steering feel and balance make it a more enjoyable performance tyre.
If I can't shoot the video this week I'll put the full write up online without video.
Jon, thanks for all your updates. Really useful. Have you heard any rumours about smaller wheel sizes for these tyres becoming available??Ignoring wear which I couldn't track, the CPC is the better tyre. Higher grip in dry and wet, quieter, more comfortable.
Which tyre am I going to keep on the M3? The MPSS. Ever so slightly less grip, but better steering feel and balance make it a more enjoyable performance tyre.
If I can't shoot the video this week I'll put the full write up online without video.
df76 said:
jon- said:
I was meant to be shooting my MPSS vs CPC6 video this week, but the car has a technical issue so now it will be delayed.
Ignoring wear which I couldn't track, the CPC is the better tyre. Higher grip in dry and wet, quieter, more comfortable.
Which tyre am I going to keep on the M3? The MPSS. Ever so slightly less grip, but better steering feel and balance make it a more enjoyable performance tyre.
If I can't shoot the video this week I'll put the full write up online without video.
Jon, thanks for all your updates. Really useful. Have you heard any rumours about smaller wheel sizes for these tyres becoming available??Ignoring wear which I couldn't track, the CPC is the better tyre. Higher grip in dry and wet, quieter, more comfortable.
Which tyre am I going to keep on the M3? The MPSS. Ever so slightly less grip, but better steering feel and balance make it a more enjoyable performance tyre.
If I can't shoot the video this week I'll put the full write up online without video.
Mixing MPSS and Conti 6 - bad idea?
I have MPSS on the rear of my Jag XFS (and they are absolutely brilliant compared with the original Dunlop Sport Maxx). I now need to change the Dunlops on the front, I was going to go for MPSS but having seen the comments on the CSC6 I am considering going for them, especially as they're quite a bit cheaper (but sounds as though wear may be worse), or possibly Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3.
However I spoke to a helpful chap at Camskills who warned me against putting CSC6 on the front whilst retaining the MPSS on the rear. Is he right to be concerned bearing in mind that I won't be tracking the car?
Any thoughts on the Goodyears compared with the Contis?
Thanks in advance for any comments from the experts on here.
I have MPSS on the rear of my Jag XFS (and they are absolutely brilliant compared with the original Dunlop Sport Maxx). I now need to change the Dunlops on the front, I was going to go for MPSS but having seen the comments on the CSC6 I am considering going for them, especially as they're quite a bit cheaper (but sounds as though wear may be worse), or possibly Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3.
However I spoke to a helpful chap at Camskills who warned me against putting CSC6 on the front whilst retaining the MPSS on the rear. Is he right to be concerned bearing in mind that I won't be tracking the car?
Any thoughts on the Goodyears compared with the Contis?
Thanks in advance for any comments from the experts on here.
Edited by Exonian on Wednesday 8th June 17:44
Edited by Exonian on Wednesday 8th June 17:45
I have Michelin Super Sports all round on my Merc 500CL. Fantastic grip in wet and dry and I was surprised how light the tyre was off the wheel!
They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
NITO said:
I have Michelin Super Sports all round on my Merc 500CL. Fantastic grip in wet and dry and I was surprised how light the tyre was off the wheel!
They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
At least 7mm on any I've bought.They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
Exonian said:
Mixing MPSS and Conti 6 - bad idea?
I have MPSS on the rear of my Jag XFS (and they are absolutely brilliant compared with the original Dunlop Sport Maxx). I now need to change the Dunlops on the front, I was going to go for MPSS but having seen the comments on the CSC6 I am considering going for them, especially as they're quite a bit cheaper (but sounds as though wear may be worse), or possibly Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3.
However I spoke to a helpful chap at Camskills who warned me against putting CSC6 on the front whilst retaining the MPSS on the rear. Is he right to be concerned bearing in mind that I won't be tracking the car?
Any thoughts on the Goodyears compared with the Contis?
Thanks in advance for any comments from the experts on here.
What was his reasoning? I mean, it's never ideal to mix tyres, but as long as they're the same across the axle you won't have too many dramas...I have MPSS on the rear of my Jag XFS (and they are absolutely brilliant compared with the original Dunlop Sport Maxx). I now need to change the Dunlops on the front, I was going to go for MPSS but having seen the comments on the CSC6 I am considering going for them, especially as they're quite a bit cheaper (but sounds as though wear may be worse), or possibly Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3.
However I spoke to a helpful chap at Camskills who warned me against putting CSC6 on the front whilst retaining the MPSS on the rear. Is he right to be concerned bearing in mind that I won't be tracking the car?
Any thoughts on the Goodyears compared with the Contis?
Thanks in advance for any comments from the experts on here.
NITO said:
I have Michelin Super Sports all round on my Merc 500CL. Fantastic grip in wet and dry and I was surprised how light the tyre was off the wheel!
They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
I'm not sure these were read properly. It's the Pilot Sport Cups which start at 5mm, not the Super Sport.They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
df76 said:
jon- said:
The PS4 is now the PSS in smaller sizes. No news on the CPC6 shrinking yet, but I'll ask the question again.
Thanks Jon. Unfortunately, the smallest that both michelins seem to come in is 205/45/17.. NITO said:
I have Michelin Super Sports all round on my Merc 500CL. Fantastic grip in wet and dry and I was surprised how light the tyre was off the wheel!
They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
I find that hard to believe. I did around 28,000 miles on my rears and that included around 5 trackdays. The fronts still have a good amout of tread left in them and my car is no light weight.They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
krallicious said:
NITO said:
I have Michelin Super Sports all round on my Merc 500CL. Fantastic grip in wet and dry and I was surprised how light the tyre was off the wheel!
They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
I find that hard to believe. I did around 28,000 miles on my rears and that included around 5 trackdays. The fronts still have a good amout of tread left in them and my car is no light weight.They don't come with much tread depth though, it went in for a service about 100 miles after having the tyres fitted, to come out with advice that tyres were nearly 40% worn! Of course they only start with about 5mm!
krallicious said:
I find that hard to believe. I did around 28,000 miles on my rears and that included around 5 trackdays. The fronts still have a good amout of tread left in them and my car is no light weight.
Must depend a lot on the car though.I got 14k miles on my rears and that was them down to a little over 2mm.
I've got CSC 5P on my F80 M3 I've done 10k on them and there is 5.5mm left all round, not sure what they come with, what I would say is they are terrible on standing water the car is very nervous and moves about all over the place.
Really good dry grip though, although they don't feel as stable in the corners as the MPSS I had on the M5.
Really good dry grip though, although they don't feel as stable in the corners as the MPSS I had on the M5.
Just wanted to bump the thread.
I have replaced my Vredestein Vorit's with Michelin Pilot Sport 4.
Initial impressions are they are very good. The car seems less stable (not necessarily a bad thing) but a bit lighter on it's feet.
The Vortis were the best tyre I have tried, beating the Eagle F1 Asy2 by miles as far as I was concerned.
They were fantastic, lasted 32k (including rotation) and did me very well at a completely soaked trackday at Mallory.
So it will take a lot to have me change my opinion the Vorti is one of the best sports oriented road tyres you can get (Evo also happen to agree with me!)
So far I have done a 250 mile drive in mixed weather on mixed roads including some wet B-road blasting, the PS4s seem very grippy but they give an initial feeling of floatiness on turn in which is a bit disconcerting. So you turn in expecting it to feel like it's biting into the tarmac but you get a split second feeling like it's not going to grip.
I suspect this is just due to me being completely in sync with how the Vredesteins responded so I will give it some more time before giving my full review.
I have replaced my Vredestein Vorit's with Michelin Pilot Sport 4.
Initial impressions are they are very good. The car seems less stable (not necessarily a bad thing) but a bit lighter on it's feet.
The Vortis were the best tyre I have tried, beating the Eagle F1 Asy2 by miles as far as I was concerned.
They were fantastic, lasted 32k (including rotation) and did me very well at a completely soaked trackday at Mallory.
So it will take a lot to have me change my opinion the Vorti is one of the best sports oriented road tyres you can get (Evo also happen to agree with me!)
So far I have done a 250 mile drive in mixed weather on mixed roads including some wet B-road blasting, the PS4s seem very grippy but they give an initial feeling of floatiness on turn in which is a bit disconcerting. So you turn in expecting it to feel like it's biting into the tarmac but you get a split second feeling like it's not going to grip.
I suspect this is just due to me being completely in sync with how the Vredesteins responded so I will give it some more time before giving my full review.
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