RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 vs. Lotus Exige V6 Cup
Discussion
kambites said:
Is the GT4's body-in-white the same as the normal Cayman?
The body in white is modified to accept the roll cage and apparently other tweaks.I'd like to know where these letters are offering more cars I spoke to a chap only yesterday day who had spoken to a local dealer who had refused to accept a deposit on the off chance that a GT4 might become available. I've no doubt they will make more GT4's but I don't think the market will be flooded anytime soon!
The GT4 is not the normal Cayman body-in-white, as has been pointed out. It requires modification to take the GT3 front suspension, which is also (I think) modified for use in the GT4. You then have to change the cooling to accommodate the more powerful engine (which is detuned from its 991 S application). I think, but am not sure, that the gearbox is also slightly different from the normal Cayman 6-speed, but I may be wrong on that.
It also has a bespoke body kit.
All in all, it's not an easy or cheap car to build compared to cooking models. And Porsche would much rather sell us a GTS or a 911. Much bigger profits on 911s. Porsche is pretty good at maximising profit.
It also has a bespoke body kit.
All in all, it's not an easy or cheap car to build compared to cooking models. And Porsche would much rather sell us a GTS or a 911. Much bigger profits on 911s. Porsche is pretty good at maximising profit.
no no.. i prefer the tarted up toyota engine with the elise interior that you can sell me at 63k... and add in the superb dampers and racing kit..
why would I want to spend money on crappy german motors when british stuff is more rare and unique and better.....
i must be an idiot...................
why would I want to spend money on crappy german motors when british stuff is more rare and unique and better.....
i must be an idiot...................
HokumPokum said:
no no.. i prefer the tarted up toyota engine with the elise interior that you can sell me at 63k... and add in the superb dampers and racing kit..
why would I want to spend money on crappy german motors when british stuff is more rare and unique and better.....
i must be an idiot...................
You tell me ? Seems they are comparing favourably the turnip farmers v hetro 2012 offering to Stuttgarts latest finest thing since a 2.7 ? According to some on here.....why would I want to spend money on crappy german motors when british stuff is more rare and unique and better.....
i must be an idiot...................
But wait ! What gives with the luxo barge gear ratios? Wtf is that all about ??????
macky17 said:
You really think so? Oh dear.
They aren't as expensive as one might think 
.http://www.truckscout24.com/search/eng/detail.asp?...
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There are no two manufacturers (apart from perhaps Maserati and Aston?...) whose fans should have more in common with each other than Porsche and Lotus.
Even the 'lardy soulless' 991 Turbo S is very light, agile, and responsive for a leather-covered, turbocharged, 4wd GT.
Even the most meanly specced Elise is a well-designed, well set-up sports car.
Hell, the Macan Turbo takes an utterly anaesthetic Q5 (decent run-around it may be) and makes it go like stink, sound fantastic, look good, and handle like no car that looks like it does should.
Lotus will make an SUV, Porsche will make almost exclusively turbocharged cars soon. It doesn't matter, for both make excellent cars that may appeal to different pistonheads, but appeal very much to pistonheads. Even a Cayenne Diseaseal with no performance options will have had more attention paid to handling then any competitor.
Lotus chaps, having had a hangover in one of your fine products, never delude yourselves that (apart from maybe the Evora 400 vs GT4) you will make a better everyday sports car that can handle its own on a track than Porsche. Forget either of the two cars reviewed, the 911 has been doing that job for over 50 years. Also, Lotus fans who try to belittle the GT4 by pointing out it's propelled by a detuned Carerra S engine... It's still a potent Porsche flat six. Any real car bloke knows that is something non-trivial. Those who prefer the Lotus cannot justify it by accusing the GT4 of being some tarted up hairdresser's car, because the Lotus uses a tarted up Camry engine with a Toyota gearbox. The weight is more relevant, although given that the GT4 doesn't feel like a heavy car, or act like one, it could weigh as much as Prescott for all I care. Doesn't matter of course, because the Exige V6 is a great driver's car. Still, anyone who thinks the GT4 is anything other than a special, bone fide driver's car is either blinded by the badge, or a moron, or possibly both.
All that having been said, both cars being fantastic, I think this article raises a point. The Exige V6, and especially the Cup, might just be a little much for the sort of use I would be happy with in a GT4: Everyday summer car, and good weather weekends other times of year, perhaps every day if one has a short commute. To be honest, I think, however good it is, the Exige V6 doesn't make much sense. Track car? Caterham or Zenos (is that what they're called) or Elise. Road car? Much rather have an Evora 400 or Porsche.
There are no two manufacturers (apart from perhaps Maserati and Aston?...) whose fans should have more in common with each other than Porsche and Lotus.
Even the 'lardy soulless' 991 Turbo S is very light, agile, and responsive for a leather-covered, turbocharged, 4wd GT.
Even the most meanly specced Elise is a well-designed, well set-up sports car.
Hell, the Macan Turbo takes an utterly anaesthetic Q5 (decent run-around it may be) and makes it go like stink, sound fantastic, look good, and handle like no car that looks like it does should.
Lotus will make an SUV, Porsche will make almost exclusively turbocharged cars soon. It doesn't matter, for both make excellent cars that may appeal to different pistonheads, but appeal very much to pistonheads. Even a Cayenne Diseaseal with no performance options will have had more attention paid to handling then any competitor.
Lotus chaps, having had a hangover in one of your fine products, never delude yourselves that (apart from maybe the Evora 400 vs GT4) you will make a better everyday sports car that can handle its own on a track than Porsche. Forget either of the two cars reviewed, the 911 has been doing that job for over 50 years. Also, Lotus fans who try to belittle the GT4 by pointing out it's propelled by a detuned Carerra S engine... It's still a potent Porsche flat six. Any real car bloke knows that is something non-trivial. Those who prefer the Lotus cannot justify it by accusing the GT4 of being some tarted up hairdresser's car, because the Lotus uses a tarted up Camry engine with a Toyota gearbox. The weight is more relevant, although given that the GT4 doesn't feel like a heavy car, or act like one, it could weigh as much as Prescott for all I care. Doesn't matter of course, because the Exige V6 is a great driver's car. Still, anyone who thinks the GT4 is anything other than a special, bone fide driver's car is either blinded by the badge, or a moron, or possibly both.
All that having been said, both cars being fantastic, I think this article raises a point. The Exige V6, and especially the Cup, might just be a little much for the sort of use I would be happy with in a GT4: Everyday summer car, and good weather weekends other times of year, perhaps every day if one has a short commute. To be honest, I think, however good it is, the Exige V6 doesn't make much sense. Track car? Caterham or Zenos (is that what they're called) or Elise. Road car? Much rather have an Evora 400 or Porsche.
Days Like These said:
...To be honest, I think, however good it is, the Exige V6 doesn't make much sense...
Eh?! If you want a small, light(or at least lighter than most), two seat, really fast sports car the V6 Exige makes a huge amount of sense. What else is there out there that has similar performance for the price, and delivers similar thrills? The Cayman or Boxster GTS are the only ones out there really that might deliver similar thrills for the money and yet they are considerably slower. Not to mention Gales seems to be making sure the cars are better put together and, rather importantly for many people, easier to get into and out of.
Plus, as you say, it's good. In Sport Auto mag (a German mag no less) they rated the Exige S as the better car next to the Cayman GT4 and it drew with the Pagani Huyra(spelling?) in EVO Car of the Year.
leglessAlex said:
Days Like These said:
...To be honest, I think, however good it is, the Exige V6 doesn't make much sense...
Eh?! If you want a small, light(or at least lighter than most), two seat, really fast sports car the V6 Exige makes a huge amount of sense. What else is there out there that has similar performance for the price, and delivers similar thrills? The Cayman or Boxster GTS are the only ones out there really that might deliver similar thrills for the money and yet they are considerably slower. Not to mention Gales seems to be making sure the cars are better put together and, rather importantly for many people, easier to get into and out of.
Plus, as you say, it's good. In Sport Auto mag (a German mag no less) they rated the Exige S as the better car next to the Cayman GT4 and it drew with the Pagani Huyra(spelling?) in EVO Car of the Year.
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