RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 vs. Lotus Exige V6 Cup
Discussion
HeMightBeBanned said:
Pistonheads was offered a 'regular' Exige V6, but they declined. Read into that what you will.
You can read into it that we'd already accepted Zebra's offer and the logistics of his location worked better than for the regular V6. Follow-up story on his path to ownership of this car - via the Porsche dealership - to come that hopefully shows this was a valid comparison. Cheers!
Dan
bobo said:
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the gt4 has a mass produced carrera engine on a trick chassis. nice package but let down by the long carerra gearing....that said the gt4 would make a good shopping trip jalopy or cruising (in all senses) car retaliative to the exige ....
real men and boys (ahem - hairdressers)
While the Exige has a rare Toyota engine which I believe was described as adequate by CH or words too that effect and a gear change that hasn't changed in twenty years ( my words)the gt4 has a mass produced carrera engine on a trick chassis. nice package but let down by the long carerra gearing....that said the gt4 would make a good shopping trip jalopy or cruising (in all senses) car retaliative to the exige ....
real men and boys (ahem - hairdressers)
Dan Trent said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Pistonheads was offered a 'regular' Exige V6, but they declined. Read into that what you will.
You can read into it that we'd already accepted Zebra's offer and the logistics of his location worked better than for the regular V6. Follow-up story on his path to ownership of this car - via the Porsche dealership - to come that hopefully shows this was a valid comparison. Cheers!
Dan
Again, logistics of the location of the shoot, availability of press cars (the factory fleet isn't huge and tends to be restricted to stuff that's just been released like the Evora 400) and also the added interest in this case of the owner's back story, which will be published as a standalone in the coming days. And hopefully makes some more sense of the comparison.
Cheers,
Dan
Cheers,
Dan
The Exige has a V6 that many of you may well think is fantastic if you tried one. And a very good gearchange too. But I guess it's just quicker and easier to get your opinions from car magazines.
This is actually what Chris Harris said about the GT4 engine:
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
'a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out' = detuned Carrera S engine.
It's an absolute travesty that Porsche didn't have the confidence to fit the 400bhp engine that the GT4 is crying out for. It cost them (and you) more money to detune the engine. Pathetic.
Anyone who thinks they'll make £20k better sell quick. Porsche have already announced a PDK version and are ramping up production as we speak. Premiums will be very short lived. Invitations to get on the list have already been sent out. They only restricted production based on the very muted response to the Cayman GTS (less than 100 in the UK). Cayman has traditionally been a very slow seller by Porsche standards. No way they thought the GT4 was going to go ballistic. The market response is directly related to the current Porsche GT boom. It wasn't there when Porsche were planning the GT4. Disappointing GTS sales were.
Porsche are a big company. They churn out Aston Martin's 100 year production every 6 months. They can and will make a lot of GT4s.
This is actually what Chris Harris said about the GT4 engine:
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
'a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out' = detuned Carrera S engine.
It's an absolute travesty that Porsche didn't have the confidence to fit the 400bhp engine that the GT4 is crying out for. It cost them (and you) more money to detune the engine. Pathetic.
Anyone who thinks they'll make £20k better sell quick. Porsche have already announced a PDK version and are ramping up production as we speak. Premiums will be very short lived. Invitations to get on the list have already been sent out. They only restricted production based on the very muted response to the Cayman GTS (less than 100 in the UK). Cayman has traditionally been a very slow seller by Porsche standards. No way they thought the GT4 was going to go ballistic. The market response is directly related to the current Porsche GT boom. It wasn't there when Porsche were planning the GT4. Disappointing GTS sales were.
Porsche are a big company. They churn out Aston Martin's 100 year production every 6 months. They can and will make a lot of GT4s.
twinturban said:
The Exige has a V6 that many of you may well think is fantastic if you tried one. And a very good gearchange too. But I guess it's just quicker and easier to get your opinions from car magazines.
This is actually what Chris Harris said about the GT4 engine:
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
'a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out' = detuned Carrera S engine.
It's an absolute travesty that Porsche didn't have the confidence to fit the 400bhp engine that the GT4 is crying out for. It cost them (and you) more money to detune the engine. Pathetic.
Anyone who thinks they'll make £20k better sell quick. Porsche have already announced a PDK version and are ramping up production as we speak. Premiums will be very short lived. Invitations to get on the list have already been sent out. They only restricted production based on the very muted response to the Cayman GTS (less than 100 in the UK). Cayman has traditionally been a very slow seller by Porsche standards. No way they thought the GT4 was going to go ballistic. The market response is directly related to the current Porsche GT boom. It wasn't there when Porsche were planning the GT4. Disappointing GTS sales were.
Porsche are a big company. They churn out Aston Martin's 100 year production every 6 months. They can and will make a lot of GT4s.
No, they won't. The GT4 is a ball ache to make and carries little profit. No reason at all to build a lot of them.This is actually what Chris Harris said about the GT4 engine:
"The electric steering is muted but well judged for speed, the motor pulls from 2000rpm, grows angry from 4500 to 6500rpm and is a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out. The GTS engine is actually smoother and keeps pulling all the way to the cut."
'a little less impressive from that point to the 7800rpm cut-out' = detuned Carrera S engine.
It's an absolute travesty that Porsche didn't have the confidence to fit the 400bhp engine that the GT4 is crying out for. It cost them (and you) more money to detune the engine. Pathetic.
Anyone who thinks they'll make £20k better sell quick. Porsche have already announced a PDK version and are ramping up production as we speak. Premiums will be very short lived. Invitations to get on the list have already been sent out. They only restricted production based on the very muted response to the Cayman GTS (less than 100 in the UK). Cayman has traditionally been a very slow seller by Porsche standards. No way they thought the GT4 was going to go ballistic. The market response is directly related to the current Porsche GT boom. It wasn't there when Porsche were planning the GT4. Disappointing GTS sales were.
Porsche are a big company. They churn out Aston Martin's 100 year production every 6 months. They can and will make a lot of GT4s.
And this is based on? Something your dealer said perhaps?
Porsche are making a lot of profit out of a car that will typically be ordered with anywhere between £15k-£20k worth of extras.
They just got their sums wrong after the GTS, that is all.
The 'Dear Sir, as luck would have it we may have a build slot for a GT4 after all' letters have already started being sent out.
We'll know a year from now what the real situation is. But I think the assumptions about residuals are not based on anything very concrete.
Porsche are making a lot of profit out of a car that will typically be ordered with anywhere between £15k-£20k worth of extras.
They just got their sums wrong after the GTS, that is all.
The 'Dear Sir, as luck would have it we may have a build slot for a GT4 after all' letters have already started being sent out.
We'll know a year from now what the real situation is. But I think the assumptions about residuals are not based on anything very concrete.
Edited by twinturban on Monday 7th September 17:37
twinturban said:
And this is based on? Something your dealer said perhaps?
Porsche are making a lot of profit out of a car that will typically be ordered with anywhere between £15k-£25k worth of extras.
They just got their sums wrong after the GTS, that is all.
The 'Dear Sir, as luck would have it we may have a build slot for a GT4 after all' letters have already started being sent out.
We'll know a year from now what the real situation is. But I think the assumptions about residuals are not based on anything very concrete.
Nah. A very safe place to put your money. Why would Porsche build more when it can simply sell those who don't get a GT4 a car on which they make much much more profit? Porsche are making a lot of profit out of a car that will typically be ordered with anywhere between £15k-£25k worth of extras.
They just got their sums wrong after the GTS, that is all.
The 'Dear Sir, as luck would have it we may have a build slot for a GT4 after all' letters have already started being sent out.
We'll know a year from now what the real situation is. But I think the assumptions about residuals are not based on anything very concrete.
I would be amazed if very many would-be GT4 buyers do anything other than buy a 981 GTS or a 991 of some description. Some may end up with a used GT3, but Porsche won't shed too many tears about GT3 prices holding up - good news for brand cache and pricing of new GT cars.
'Specials' are low volume because their job is to stimulate excitement about the brand. The cooking models make the profit.
Dan Trent said:
Again, logistics of the location of the shoot, availability of press cars (the factory fleet isn't huge and tends to be restricted to stuff that's just been released like the Evora 400) and also the added interest in this case of the owner's back story, which will be published as a standalone in the coming days. And hopefully makes some more sense of the comparison.
Cheers,
Dan
This has escalated since I have been in work.Cheers,
Dan
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ORD said:
Nah. A very safe place to put your money. Why would Porsche build more when it can simply sell those who don't get a GT4 a car on which they make much much more profit?
I would be amazed if very many would-be GT4 buyers do anything other than buy a 981 GTS or a 991 of some description. Some may end up with a used GT3, but Porsche won't shed too many tears about GT3 prices holding up - good news for brand cache and pricing of new GT cars.
'Specials' are low volume because their job is to stimulate excitement about the brand. The cooking models make the profit.
Like ORD, I'd be surprised if Porsche make a lot of them. I imagine they want to keep the car as something exclusive, building hype for the next generation of GT4 and also keeping second hand values high. Still, I don't actually know for sure. I would be amazed if very many would-be GT4 buyers do anything other than buy a 981 GTS or a 991 of some description. Some may end up with a used GT3, but Porsche won't shed too many tears about GT3 prices holding up - good news for brand cache and pricing of new GT cars.
'Specials' are low volume because their job is to stimulate excitement about the brand. The cooking models make the profit.
I'm still baffled by the comparison. Even if you can justify pitching them against each other, what was the reasoning behind taking them to a road/area that's so unsuitable for the Lotus, and probably not very suitable for the GT4 either?
As I think I said earlier, surely the obvious comparison is Exige S Roadster versus Boxster Spyder? How hard would it be to arrange that, surely it can't be that difficult?
Production has been extended, letters have gone out stating that they are inviting further Gt4 orders. So not limited, and hardly an investment on that basis. Look how cheap standard Caymans are. They are still the "poor" mans Porsche.
BTW Porsche will be making a profit, all they are doing is assembling a different car mostly with components they already source for other models.
Still a great car according to the write ups, but on the other hand I don't understand why they originally artificially restricted supply, then backed tracked. This would annoy me if it was my money.
If it's such a great car why not sell as many as they can. Where is the harm?
BTW Porsche will be making a profit, all they are doing is assembling a different car mostly with components they already source for other models.
Still a great car according to the write ups, but on the other hand I don't understand why they originally artificially restricted supply, then backed tracked. This would annoy me if it was my money.
If it's such a great car why not sell as many as they can. Where is the harm?
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