BMW Design - What happened?
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gizlaroc said:
somynameiswhat said:
In the end, I'm only providing a view on the current design state according to my taste, not hating. Some are well designed. In fact, we'll be looking soon for a much newer replacement for my aging E39. Maybe an E70.
Yeah I got that, I'm the same to be honest. At least this thread was a bit less aggressive than the Mercedes one last week, where people were only buying new cars to 'impress the neighbours' or 'because they are new money' etc. etc. Some right t
ts on that one. 
gizlaroc said:
BrownBottle said:
He gave his opinion on a BMW design, whether he owns a Golf or an FSO Polonez or whatever is completely irrelevant to the thread.
Read what he said again, and if you struggle ask your Mum to help you. He came across as a bit petty and foolish which was clear for anyone to see, you then done the same by trawling through his garage to comment on a car that has zero relevance to the thread just to have a childish dig.
Maybe you should be speaking to your own Mum or perhaps a girl guide could help you with it?
Maybe it's me as reading through the thread, I seem like the odd one out, but I really like the styling.
Apart from the 1950's BMW 507 which is even better looking than an E-Type in my opinion, the F Series range are great looking cars.
Everyone pulls out the Active Tourer, that is one car in a huge range, which people also seem to have a problem with? Firstly, the Gran Tourer more so than the active Tourer is a better looking MPV than what is on the market. There is demand for it, so why not cater for it?
It's the same with having a 3 Series Saloon, Touring, Gran Turismo, 4 Series Coupe, and Gran Coupe. In essence, 5 versions of the same car, but you see all of them on the road. People want them and it's great a consumer to have the option to choose exactly what appeals to you.
To try and do a fair comparison rather than extreme's from a Active Tourer to an M6, here's a BMW E21 3 Series Saloon vs BMW F22 2 Series Coupe and BMW E34 5 Series vs an F10 5 Series. I genuinely find it hard to believe you think the formers are better looking vehicles. Don't get me wrong, everyone each to their own, but it's a no brainer to me.
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Apart from the 1950's BMW 507 which is even better looking than an E-Type in my opinion, the F Series range are great looking cars.
Everyone pulls out the Active Tourer, that is one car in a huge range, which people also seem to have a problem with? Firstly, the Gran Tourer more so than the active Tourer is a better looking MPV than what is on the market. There is demand for it, so why not cater for it?
It's the same with having a 3 Series Saloon, Touring, Gran Turismo, 4 Series Coupe, and Gran Coupe. In essence, 5 versions of the same car, but you see all of them on the road. People want them and it's great a consumer to have the option to choose exactly what appeals to you.
To try and do a fair comparison rather than extreme's from a Active Tourer to an M6, here's a BMW E21 3 Series Saloon vs BMW F22 2 Series Coupe and BMW E34 5 Series vs an F10 5 Series. I genuinely find it hard to believe you think the formers are better looking vehicles. Don't get me wrong, everyone each to their own, but it's a no brainer to me.
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PHlL said:
Maybe it's me as reading through the thread, I seem like the odd one out, but I really like the styling.
Apart from the 1950's BMW 507 which is even better looking than an E-Type in my opinion, the F Series range are great looking cars.
Everyone pulls out the Active Tourer, that is one car in a huge range, which people also seem to have a problem with? Firstly, the Gran Tourer more so than the active Tourer is a better looking MPV than what is on the market. There is demand for it, so why not cater for it?
It's the same with having a 3 Series Saloon, Touring, Gran Turismo, 4 Series Coupe, and Gran Coupe. In essence, 5 versions of the same car, but you see all of them on the road. People want them and it's great a consumer to have the option to choose exactly what appeals to you.
To try and do a fair comparison rather than extreme's from a Active Tourer to an M6, here's a BMW E21 3 Series Saloon vs BMW F22 2 Series Coupe and BMW E34 5 Series vs an F10 5 Series. I genuinely find it hard to believe you think the formers are better looking vehicles. Don't get me wrong, everyone each to their own, but it's a no brainer to me.
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In both of those cases, to me, the older car is a much better design ... and better looking as well.Apart from the 1950's BMW 507 which is even better looking than an E-Type in my opinion, the F Series range are great looking cars.
Everyone pulls out the Active Tourer, that is one car in a huge range, which people also seem to have a problem with? Firstly, the Gran Tourer more so than the active Tourer is a better looking MPV than what is on the market. There is demand for it, so why not cater for it?
It's the same with having a 3 Series Saloon, Touring, Gran Turismo, 4 Series Coupe, and Gran Coupe. In essence, 5 versions of the same car, but you see all of them on the road. People want them and it's great a consumer to have the option to choose exactly what appeals to you.
To try and do a fair comparison rather than extreme's from a Active Tourer to an M6, here's a BMW E21 3 Series Saloon vs BMW F22 2 Series Coupe and BMW E34 5 Series vs an F10 5 Series. I genuinely find it hard to believe you think the formers are better looking vehicles. Don't get me wrong, everyone each to their own, but it's a no brainer to me.
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But that’s not BMW’s fault - you couldn’t make cars like that these days. They wouldn’t pass any safety tests and the modern public wants bigger and flasher.
It doesn’t bother me though - there is still enough of the interesting old stuff out there. Enjoy the new if that is what floats your boat. We’re both happy so who needs to argue?
stuart-b said:
I think people are seriously spoilt for choice these days.
In reality, none of these cars are bad looking - and no one here can design most of these any better, given the constraints on copying others, safety, having to reinvent hot water, re-using components between models etc.
It's like comparing FHM models and saying "that one is a munter". Really?
I look at most modern cars now and see good elements in nearly all of them. Lets face it, a boggo 116d can't look like a frigging Lambo can it?
Lets remind ourselves where we came from in a short space of time just a few years ago.
There are many more.
1 series doesn't look so bad now does it?
It's not the case that any of these manufacturers were once known for making great looking cars.In reality, none of these cars are bad looking - and no one here can design most of these any better, given the constraints on copying others, safety, having to reinvent hot water, re-using components between models etc.
It's like comparing FHM models and saying "that one is a munter". Really?
I look at most modern cars now and see good elements in nearly all of them. Lets face it, a boggo 116d can't look like a frigging Lambo can it?
Lets remind ourselves where we came from in a short space of time just a few years ago.
There are many more.
1 series doesn't look so bad now does it?
MarshPhantom said:
It's not the case that any of these manufacturers were once known for making great looking cars.
That's not the point I'm making. The point is that most cars looked like that then, now, nearly all modern cars, although "bland", are still very nice cars.Before, you had some real shocking s
t on the market - which broke down on the dealers forecourt. The industry has matured a lot - and nearly all cars apart from cheap Chinese ripoffs are good - even the Koreans produce some excellent stuff.Mark-C said:
In both of those cases, to me, the older car is a much better design ... and better looking as well.
But that’s not BMW’s fault - you couldn’t make cars like that these days. They wouldn’t pass any safety tests and the modern public wants bigger and flasher.
It doesn’t bother me though - there is still enough of the interesting old stuff out there. Enjoy the new if that is what floats your boat. We’re both happy so who needs to argue?
People are sometimes (usually) attracted to what they perceive they can realistically acquire - my hypothesis is that it's probably a natural defence against resentment and disappointment. But that’s not BMW’s fault - you couldn’t make cars like that these days. They wouldn’t pass any safety tests and the modern public wants bigger and flasher.
It doesn’t bother me though - there is still enough of the interesting old stuff out there. Enjoy the new if that is what floats your boat. We’re both happy so who needs to argue?
You drive old cars, you like old cars.
I used to love my old 944 and think the design was great, nothing could be better. Then I sat in a newer 911.
How wrong I was. Don't get me wrong, I love it for what it is - and for the period, it was a real winner. But things move on.
BrownBottle said:
He said he didn't like the looks or the image of driving a 1 series which was relevant to the thread.
He came across as a bit petty and foolish which was clear for anyone to see, you then done the same by trawling through his garage to comment on a car that has zero relevance to the thread just to have a childish dig.
Maybe you should be speaking to your own Mum or perhaps a girl guide could help you with it?
He came across as a bit petty and foolish which was clear for anyone to see, you then done the same by trawling through his garage to comment on a car that has zero relevance to the thread just to have a childish dig.
Maybe you should be speaking to your own Mum or perhaps a girl guide could help you with it?
Out of the BMW`s I have owned this is what I think regards looks...
E90 330i/d...ugly front and rear and just bland to look at
E61 520d...thought it was ugly at launch but it grew on me
E85 Z4M...really ugly from the front but liked it from the rear and side
E53 4.8is...strangely I thought it looked pretty good
E92 M3...thought it didn't look too bad in white and better looking for me than the E90
F13 640d Coupe(not the saloon 4 door) love it front/side and rear and for me its really nice to look at
A special mention goes to the E89 Z4 as I think that's really lovely from the front but less so from the rear, really like the looks of the E46 too.
E90 330i/d...ugly front and rear and just bland to look at
E61 520d...thought it was ugly at launch but it grew on me
E85 Z4M...really ugly from the front but liked it from the rear and side
E53 4.8is...strangely I thought it looked pretty good
E92 M3...thought it didn't look too bad in white and better looking for me than the E90
F13 640d Coupe(not the saloon 4 door) love it front/side and rear and for me its really nice to look at
A special mention goes to the E89 Z4 as I think that's really lovely from the front but less so from the rear, really like the looks of the E46 too.
PHlL said:
Maybe it's me as reading through the thread, I seem like the odd one out, but I really like the styling.
Apart from the 1950's BMW 507 which is even better looking than an E-Type in my opinion, the F Series range are great looking cars.
Everyone pulls out the Active Tourer, that is one car in a huge range, which people also seem to have a problem with? Firstly, the Gran Tourer more so than the active Tourer is a better looking MPV than what is on the market. There is demand for it, so why not cater for it?
It's the same with having a 3 Series Saloon, Touring, Gran Turismo, 4 Series Coupe, and Gran Coupe. In essence, 5 versions of the same car, but you see all of them on the road. People want them and it's great a consumer to have the option to choose exactly what appeals to you.
To try and do a fair comparison rather than extreme's from a Active Tourer to an M6, here's a BMW E21 3 Series Saloon vs BMW F22 2 Series Coupe and BMW E34 5 Series vs an F10 5 Series. I genuinely find it hard to believe you think the formers are better looking vehicles. Don't get me wrong, everyone each to their own, but it's a no brainer to me.
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Whilst the newer vehicles are obviously objectively better at their job, the older cars are vastly better looking to my eyes. Elegant clean shapes with non of this awful "flame-surfacing" or stupidly over-styled vents. Apart from the 1950's BMW 507 which is even better looking than an E-Type in my opinion, the F Series range are great looking cars.
Everyone pulls out the Active Tourer, that is one car in a huge range, which people also seem to have a problem with? Firstly, the Gran Tourer more so than the active Tourer is a better looking MPV than what is on the market. There is demand for it, so why not cater for it?
It's the same with having a 3 Series Saloon, Touring, Gran Turismo, 4 Series Coupe, and Gran Coupe. In essence, 5 versions of the same car, but you see all of them on the road. People want them and it's great a consumer to have the option to choose exactly what appeals to you.
To try and do a fair comparison rather than extreme's from a Active Tourer to an M6, here's a BMW E21 3 Series Saloon vs BMW F22 2 Series Coupe and BMW E34 5 Series vs an F10 5 Series. I genuinely find it hard to believe you think the formers are better looking vehicles. Don't get me wrong, everyone each to their own, but it's a no brainer to me.
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Frankly those comparisons just show how vulgar and bloated the newer cars are, to me.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 7th October 19:50
MarshPhantom said:
It's not the case that any of these manufacturers were once known for making great looking cars.
Were BMW? Sure they've had a few good looking cars (like the 508), but in the main they've produced inoffensive saloons and estates which don't look very different from everyone else's inoffensive saloons and estate of the same era. For me, BMW's USP has always been how they drive, they've never really looked any better than contemporary Fords or Vauxhalls. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff