UK Head of Tesla.... Impressive
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loose cannon said:
DonkeyApple said:
The point is very simple. If you live the lifestyle where you are renting a room in a house then why would you be concerning yourself as to where to park your £80k EV?
You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
No you couldn't wait to tell everyone how you thought I was a peasant and how you were more superior ! You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
Why the Hounslow quote then ?
Point of this topic was were is the reasonably priced car with ice range performance and freedom the bottom line is there isn't one currently untI'll there is then most people won't get one
EVs aren't cheap so they aren't for people who need cheap. BMWs aren't cheap but they still sell them. Plenty of households have off street parking and plenty of those have more than one car and very clearly plenty of them could afford a basic EV.
If you don't have the money or facilities to own an EV you'd have to be a bit daft to go and buy one!!!
loose cannon said:
Point of this topic was were is the reasonably priced car with ice range performance and freedom the bottom line is there isn't one currently untI'll there is then most people won't get one
No absolutely not.You keep suggesting that 350 miles is the required range despite the rather obvious evidence that such a range is utterly unnecessary for the vast vast majority of the motoring public.
Except for your 5 mates living in a flat together who need to drive for 5 hours non-stop every day obviously.
And since they can't cope - it will never catch on...
There's going to be a £35k Tesla in 2017 with a 200 mile range and as long as it doesn't look like an abomination like the i3 it will sell like hot cakes.
kambites said:
Ares said:
Only the lucky have electricity at home? Where do you live...????
Oh, I have a nice double garage to keep both cars warm and dry and, if they were electric, charged (although admittedly it's currently full of bits of wood which are slowly turning into fitted wardrobes). A significant proportion of the UK's population park on the public road, though. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 11:47
....and a guy up the road has one of the Mitsu mini-SUV plug-in EVs. He parks on the road and has a cable going across the footpath (with a step shield over it) for the few hours, once per 10days he has to charge it.
kambites said:
Impasse said:
Domiciles with a driveway are in the minority
It's hard to get solid data, but reading between the lines of the last census I'm fairly certain that isn't true. It probably is true in large cities, but probably not across the UK as a whole. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 12:02
Ares said:
A guy up the road has one of the Mitsu mini-SUV plug-in EVs. He parks on the road and has a cable going across the footpath (with a step shield over it) for the few hours, once per 10days he has to charge it.
My colleague charges his G-Gizz via a cable from his front door in a terrace. On street parking only. No probs at all.walm said:
loose cannon said:
Point of this topic was were is the reasonably priced car with ice range performance and freedom the bottom line is there isn't one currently untI'll there is then most people won't get one
No absolutely not.You keep suggesting that 350 miles is the required range despite the rather obvious evidence that such a range is utterly unnecessary for the vast vast majority of the motoring public.
Except for your 5 mates living in a flat together who need to drive for 5 hours non-stop every day obviously.
And since they can't cope - it will never catch on...
There's going to be a £35k Tesla in 2017 with a 200 mile range and as long as it doesn't look like an abomination like the i3 it will sell like hot cakes.
ewenm said:
Ares said:
kambites said:
RobM77 said:
And incidentally, surely loose cannon's point is only relevant for a drive of much over 200 miles? Unlike with a petrol or diesel car, with a Tesla your home is effectively the filling station, so in his example you'd come home, plug the car in and wake up with another 250 miles showing on the range?
Assuming one has somewhere convenient to charge it at home, yes. ....and if you've nowhere to park it, how do you manage with a current car.
Granted, some very low cost houses may have a parking space half a mile away, but they're not really target market for a £60k Exec saloon
DonkeyApple said:
The point is very simple. If you live the lifestyle where you are renting a room in a house then why would you be concerning yourself as to where to park your £80k EV?
You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
So nobody should have a car unless you can afford your own house ?You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
And one should always move next to your employment so you don't have to commute miles and miles
Sounds very reasonable doesn't it
loose cannon said:
DonkeyApple said:
The point is very simple. If you live the lifestyle where you are renting a room in a house then why would you be concerning yourself as to where to park your £80k EV?
You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
So nobody should have a car unless you can afford your own house ?You would very obviously be prioritising somewhat more important developmental aspects of your life before even contemplating wasting money you don't have on cars you don't need!!!
EVs are very clearly for people who mostly have driveways and spare cash as minimum sensible requirements.
And one should always move next to your employment so you don't have to commute miles and miles
Sounds very reasonable doesn't it
Until battery tech advances to the point that the power packs are dirt cheap then the EV simply isn't a logical option for many.
Frothing that people who very clearly have no use for an EV can't use an EV is plain daft.
Ares said:
See previous comment. Target market (few terraced houses have £60k+ cars outside them as it is) ...and my neighbour with the Mitsu thing.
I was thinking future mainstream uptake. A cable once every 10 days would be fine, but if it's lots of cables to lots of cars then it's not so fine (imagine the personal injury lawyers rubbing their hands with glee). I live in Bath - a relatively wealthy city yet still lots and lots of on-street parking and rarely in the same place every time.It's a tricky problem to resolve for mainstream usage of EVs. It's not impossible but the early-adopter cable-across-the-pavement solution isn't going to work. For me, this is where government need to invest in their "green" future - induction charging in the road? Kerbside charging points?
Yeah for the foreseeable future, I think EVs are going to be pretty much only for the half of the population who have either a drive, a garage or a dedicated private parking space.
Realistically I don't think we're going to see them hit more than 25-30% market share in the next twenty years for that very reason. Beyond that time-frame, I think we can reasonably expect to see either something else come along to pick up the market share that has nowhere to charge them, or mass roll-out of some sort of road-side charging points.
Realistically I don't think we're going to see them hit more than 25-30% market share in the next twenty years for that very reason. Beyond that time-frame, I think we can reasonably expect to see either something else come along to pick up the market share that has nowhere to charge them, or mass roll-out of some sort of road-side charging points.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 13th October 13:28
ewenm said:
Ares said:
See previous comment. Target market (few terraced houses have £60k+ cars outside them as it is) ...and my neighbour with the Mitsu thing.
I was thinking future mainstream uptake. A cable once every 10 days would be fine, but if it's lots of cables to lots of cars then it's not so fine (imagine the personal injury lawyers rubbing their hands with glee). I live in Bath - a relatively wealthy city yet still lots and lots of on-street parking and rarely in the same place every time.It's a tricky problem to resolve for mainstream usage of EVs. It's not impossible but the early-adopter cable-across-the-pavement solution isn't going to work. For me, this is where government need to invest in their "green" future - induction charging in the road? Kerbside charging points?
I have zero doubt that the infrastructure will keep ahead of the EV purchasing market.
Can anyone confirm who provides the power to the supercharger points? Many here seem to assume that Tesla is providing free charging, I suspect it's the land/property owner where the supercharger is sited that's paying for the power, and Tesla simply supply the charging hardware
Tesla drivers get 'free' charging and the provider of the charging point gets some free business from the driver while they stop for 20 minutes
Tesla drivers get 'free' charging and the provider of the charging point gets some free business from the driver while they stop for 20 minutes
kambites said:
Yeah for the foreseeable future, I think EVs are going to be pretty much only for the half of the population who have either a drive, a garage or a dedicated private parking space.
Musk must be devastated at that thought. *Only* 23,000,000 potential target customers in the UK...... feef said:
Can anyone confirm who provides the power to the supercharger points? Many here seem to assume that Tesla is providing free charging, I suspect it's the land/property owner where the supercharger is sited that's paying for the power, and Tesla simply supply the charging hardware
Tesla drivers get 'free' charging and the provider of the charging point gets some free business from the driver while they stop for 20 minutes
Even smarter smart charging if so....and if its not that position at the moment, it soon will be.Tesla drivers get 'free' charging and the provider of the charging point gets some free business from the driver while they stop for 20 minutes
Notwithstanding, the power will be dirt cheap as it is stored and only accessed at the cheapest cost.
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