RE: McLaren 570S: Review
Discussion
People keep praising the price, but that options sheet looks bloody scary! Comparing to an R8 V10 and a 911 Turbo soon tips in the favour of the Audi/Porsche if you are taking price into account.
Something about the rear end is not working for me and I don't know what it is. Otherwise that is a damn fine car!
Something about the rear end is not working for me and I don't know what it is. Otherwise that is a damn fine car!
If they could lose the turbocharging and another 100-150 kg it would be slower but maybe a better drive. If they could then drop the price to nearer £100k it would also open out the market. Although not sure how easy it would be to make an engine designed to work with a turbo then work without one?
Well the number alone put it at the head of the class.
The rest of the car looks very well resolved. Some nice details and sufficiently different from the rest of the range. Bold, putting in a completely new interior.
The new suspension seems to be a great success. Chris Harris video review is as excellenet as usual and features a dry on and off track review.
911 drivers finally forced to use the "its got four seats" areguement to justify buying a Porschar which in a sports car is ridiculous.
Well done McLaren.
The rest of the car looks very well resolved. Some nice details and sufficiently different from the rest of the range. Bold, putting in a completely new interior.
The new suspension seems to be a great success. Chris Harris video review is as excellenet as usual and features a dry on and off track review.
911 drivers finally forced to use the "its got four seats" areguement to justify buying a Porschar which in a sports car is ridiculous.
Well done McLaren.
smilo996 said:
911 drivers finally forced to use the "its got four seats" areguement to justify buying a Porschar which in a sports car is ridiculous.
Why is it?The 911 has always been pitched as the 'use it every day' super-sports car. Part of that usability is undoubtedly the ability to shove a child in the back when the situation arises.
I can only assume you have never been in the situation where you get the call from your other half saying, "Can you get the kids on your way home - I'm running late". (you lucky sod!)
Tuvra said:
Do you have a price for the MSO rear bumper in CF Dan?
I'll swing a guess at £4k+!
It was £3,180 for an MSO diffuser on the 650S Spider we drove a little while back so that sounds like the kind of ballpark. I guess MSO stuff is kind of done on a case by case basis so doesn't feature on the regular pricelist shown. I'll swing a guess at £4k+!
Cheers,
Dan
I have just *happily* wasted far too much time playing with this: http://configurator.mclaren.com/model/coupe570s
Edited by suffolk009 on Wednesday 21st October 12:27
Dan Trent said:
Options list below but the exterior carbon packs are as follows:
Carbon Fibre Exterior Pack 1
Includes Door Mirrors, Side Intakes and Door Inserts in Gloss Carbon Fibre.
£5,450
Carbon Fibre Exterior Pack 2
Includes Aero Blades, Side Skirts and Diffuser in Gloss Carbon Fibre.
£7,730
Cheers,
Dan
is there a single carbon fiber option on that list that actually saves any weight?Carbon Fibre Exterior Pack 1
Includes Door Mirrors, Side Intakes and Door Inserts in Gloss Carbon Fibre.
£5,450
Carbon Fibre Exterior Pack 2
Includes Aero Blades, Side Skirts and Diffuser in Gloss Carbon Fibre.
£7,730
Cheers,
Dan
tail slide said:
Relieved but not surprised at test result.
Mine's for mostly road use so '... an Elise with 3 times the power' with involvement at sane speeds but Mac refinements and design flourishes is exactly what I wanted to hear.
An Elise with 3 times the power: Sounds like an Exige V6 would have been spot-on, and would have saved you £90k....Mine's for mostly road use so '... an Elise with 3 times the power' with involvement at sane speeds but Mac refinements and design flourishes is exactly what I wanted to hear.
...if you don't like it when you get it, I may begrudgingly consider a swap
I know it's just me, but I really don't like the look of it. It may be because I come more from classic cars (and an Aston Martin DB9 as a modern car). But the McLaren designs just look overly "fussy"; like they've put in too many folds and creases, particularly at the front ends and that really kills it for me. Have to confess I feel the same about modern Ferraris too. Heck I even prefer the look of a 911 to the McLarens 
Which is a shame as technically McLaren really seem to be pushing the envelope on road cars (less said about track cars the better!)
Which is a shame as technically McLaren really seem to be pushing the envelope on road cars (less said about track cars the better!)
Slippydiff said:
Dan, they're equal length tubular exhaust manifolds NOT "headers".
Otherwise before you know it you'll be calling wings fenders, the boot a trunk and the bonnet a hood.
If you want to write for Car and Driver or Road & Track that's fine, but please don't b
dize your reviews with Americanism's.
I have some sympathy with your position but Americanisms are actually far more logical than English. I lived in the USA and visit often still and some call it 'English for idiots' and some say it's simply more logical.Otherwise before you know it you'll be calling wings fenders, the boot a trunk and the bonnet a hood.
If you want to write for Car and Driver or Road & Track that's fine, but please don't b
dize your reviews with Americanism's.We say silencers, when they don't silence! They muffle, so muffler is far more accurate and logical. EG.
Esceptico said:
If they could lose the turbocharging and another 100-150 kg it would be slower but maybe a better drive. If they could then drop the price to nearer £100k it would also open out the market. Although not sure how easy it would be to make an engine designed to work with a turbo then work without one?
I think you would ruin the car, frankly. Losing the turbo would cost you a lot of power and drive-ability and losing 150kgs would be very expensive, from a car already very light for it's performance. But i can see why n/a would appeal to some. It would probably need to be 5 litres without a charger.Fantastic looking thing - not sure why you wouldn't choose one over the R8 or 911 Turbo. Very jealous of the lucky people who will be taking delivery.
Would be interesting to see it tested against a GT3 though - think it would be much closer in terms of a result and people's take on which is more desirable.
Would be interesting to see it tested against a GT3 though - think it would be much closer in terms of a result and people's take on which is more desirable.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Looks amazing, and until they resolve the looks of the 650s or whatever it's called these days it would be my pick of the litter.
Only thing is (& I've said it before), the ubiquitous 911 still has the edge by dint of the back seats, as pointless as they might first seem.
Yes a two seater is fine when you fancy a Sunday morning blast over your favourite B road but what about the more usual Sunday afternoon trip out? Where do you put the kids in a mclaren?
In the BentleyOnly thing is (& I've said it before), the ubiquitous 911 still has the edge by dint of the back seats, as pointless as they might first seem.
Yes a two seater is fine when you fancy a Sunday morning blast over your favourite B road but what about the more usual Sunday afternoon trip out? Where do you put the kids in a mclaren?
sideways sid said:
Whilst I'm sure P1 owners will not mind this, I bet 12C owners are a bit miffed that this is better in every way, and 2/3rds the price!
This came up when the whole 'black swan' stuff came out. Not sure it's better in every way as you say - beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that....Really can't agree with your price either. Let's say a well optioned 12C (c£200,000 new) is now around £125,000 (2012+, under 10,000 miles, good colour/spec). To create a similarly well optioned 570S you're looking at £175,000.
Like for like - it's the 12C that's 2/3 the price, surely?
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