Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
Discussion
MrJingles705 said:
after that it slides down hill with Schmee - who really is all "me, me, me" - yes, there are cars, but it's always about schmee. How lucky am I, look at my smug face and listen to my annoying voice. Argh. Sorry Schmee, I'm sure it's not intentional on your part or even entirely warranted as a criticism on mine but the instant reaction I get everytime I see a video of yours is "dripping with glee at his entitled life; gawd I hope he bins it (at low speeds) or just gives up".
sigh......
So seeing you in the live arena.... yeah, it was a downer. So many other people it could have been. But hey, you have tons of subscribers and I'm just one guy, so just not the target audience I think.
sigh......
So seeing you in the live arena.... yeah, it was a downer. So many other people it could have been. But hey, you have tons of subscribers and I'm just one guy, so just not the target audience I think.
SidewaysSi said:
Yep pretty pathetic. He appeals to the lowest common denominator but that's more a reflection of the society we live in - If you are the wrong side of 20 and have a modicum of knowledge about cars, he probably won't appeal.
Unfortunately that is not the majority of people in the UK.
I learned a long time ago that it's totally fine for people not to like or understand what I'm doing - and most importantly not to take it personally, it's simply that we are different as human beings and that's what makes things work in the first place. You won't find anybody in the world who starts to build an audience that is universally liked; whether it's musicians, footballers, politicians, or anything else.Unfortunately that is not the majority of people in the UK.
This started as a hobby in an era when it wasn't even imaginable where it would go, and that's only happened as a lot of people have chosen to follow the journey along the way, they have never been made to do so. Inevitably, as the total Shmee150 network (YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Drivetribe etc) now stands at about 5,000,000 followers that it means content goes in front of a substantial number of people that don't like it - like any TV show or similar.
For information though, I can't even begin to count the DMs on Instagram and Facebook that have offered supportive and kind words, and to those people I am immensely thankful after a weekend that has been a hugely nerve-wracking learning curve for me - but an incredibly fun one in the process! I'll continue to learn as an individual but there will always be a group of people who do not like something that I do, whatever it is, and that's just life.
Shmee said:
*SNIP*
Absolutely - the world would be a very boring place if we were all alike, and you have clearly made a success of it so your particular way of going about things clearly has a market; you don't need me to validate what you already know yourself with the numbers in front of you. You have made it, this trend is there to stay, and nothing I've stated should be taken as a criticism of what you have achieved in a business sense.Talking of criticism - addressing the elephant in the room (my comments from earlier) .... considering that any commentary on a celebrity is inherently personal for that individual, I am genuinely suprised at how well you respond to your critics; not just here, but in the broader sense of all channels you operate across. I imagine that self restaint isn't easy given they way the internet tends to trend towards extremes... so hat off to you for that, and for taking the time to respond at all.
I always think an opportunity should never be wasted; so with that in mind - I do have a question, if you would be so kind .. you touched on something in a recent video (https://youtu.be/cGPruDiE1ck?t=252) about 'living the dream', 'living within your means' etc...... my assumption was that your channel started as a hobby but as it started to pay for itself and became your career, has it changed how you feel about cars? by that, do you find yourself looking at cars in terms of financials, views etc and making choices that you may not have otherwise made to service shmee150's agenda? basically, has the 'cult of shmee' taken over, the viewers (tail) wagging the dog?
Edited by MrJingles705 on Monday 15th January 01:16
ORD said:
I find those videos utterly bizarre. Nothing to do with driving the cars. They are just 'shiny shiny'. Schmee also, and this isn't his fault, has an annoying voice and an annoying face. He talks endless s
te, which is his fault.
Very nicely put sir. He should be sponsored by Andrex.te, which is his fault.Its Just Adz said:
In a previous life I had the pleasure of doing photos of an SLS wrapped by Yianni, it was shocking.
Cuts in the paint where they trimmed it with a Stanley blade, badges and grilles broken them glued on.
Second this. Sam "STG"''s 718 is a Yianni wrap. It is absolutely shocking quality. Swage lines and joins are a mess. And aside from the workmanship side, the quality of the actual film itself is terrible. One of the dullest, cloudiest finishes I've seen. God knows why people do this and prefer it to a sharp, polished painted finish.Cuts in the paint where they trimmed it with a Stanley blade, badges and grilles broken them glued on.
I went to Autosport and have to say, I think you did a good job on the live show Shmee.
As for wraps, whilst I'd never have a pink car, the quality of Dub's work was clear to see on Archie's R8. I couldn't spot any defects, dodgy cut lines ect.
I did have a quick look at Yianni's stand but it was pretty busy so didn't get much chance to look at the work up close, plus all the cars were black/stealth on that stand which made me curious.
Having a wrapped car myself, I'd only go to a 3M authorised dealer, which I believe Yianni is not. I get numerous comments on what a nice colour of "paint" it is, even from people who are aware of wraps. Little do most know that underneath is 27 year old very faded red paintwork!
As for wraps, whilst I'd never have a pink car, the quality of Dub's work was clear to see on Archie's R8. I couldn't spot any defects, dodgy cut lines ect.
I did have a quick look at Yianni's stand but it was pretty busy so didn't get much chance to look at the work up close, plus all the cars were black/stealth on that stand which made me curious.
Having a wrapped car myself, I'd only go to a 3M authorised dealer, which I believe Yianni is not. I get numerous comments on what a nice colour of "paint" it is, even from people who are aware of wraps. Little do most know that underneath is 27 year old very faded red paintwork!
johnwilliams77 said:
The voiceover makes me think that Shmee is fitter. Happier. More productive.dannyDC2 said:
Joey Deacon said:
dannyDC2 said:
Ok, send us £2k a month and I'll get right on it. 
Hurry up, we need to know if good car is officially dead this time!p.s. plan to attend DN20 in Sept, would be great to see you out there!
MrJingles705 said:
I always think an opportunity should never be wasted; so with that in mind - I do have a question, if you would be so kind .. you touched on something in a recent video (https://youtu.be/cGPruDiE1ck?t=252) about 'living the dream', 'living within your means' etc...... my assumption was that your channel started as a hobby but as it started to pay for itself and became your career, has it changed how you feel about cars? by that, do you find yourself looking at cars in terms of financials, views etc and making choices that you may not have otherwise made to service shmee150's agenda? basically, has the 'cult of shmee' taken over, the viewers (tail) wagging the dog?
There is no question that my car purchases are in part inspired and dictated by the audience and the desire for the content opportunities they create, however I feel it is less so for me than it is for many of my contemporaries who crave constant change. In terms of my personal investment into my collection, if I was still working in an office, and not spending every day of my year creating videos about cars, then there is no question I would also have a significantly smaller percentage of my equity invested into such 'toys'.For example there are many YouTubers who instantly go and purchase expensive cars as soon as the first bits of income roll in, and I think that gives a very misguided impression of what we should do as human beings in terms of our responsibilities. Equally though we are in a fast developing world where it's rather unclear what actually happens next or how long this wave will continue to flow. I'm scared that we start setting an example to an impressionable generation that they *must* own a supercar or they've failed - however I think the fashion industry has a much, much larger problem with this when it comes to living perfect lives. Don't ever take a look into that part of the social media world, it makes our small car industry issues seem irrelevant.
If it was entirely about the viewers though, my 675LT and GT8 would now have to be on the way out to make way for something new and that's where I'm trying to create a balance - growing a collection of my favourite cars, with mixing in those that the internet would love to see more of. For example there might be an M5/RS4 style car inbound soon, and that's because we know the audience wants it. Whereas, I think they wouldn't even notice the GT8 if it was gone immediately. Also though, if it was just for the viewers, I wouldn't be changing my Focus RS to a new one, I'd go for a rival and change them more frequently, but at the end of the day it's a balance between both sides.
BlackLabel said:
I found this particularly amusing, albeit very odd. I'm familiar with the channel from before now so was wondering if they would ever do one on me but interestingly all of the information "Alfred" has shared is taken straight from earlier Q&As that I've posted, or the wording straight from my website FAQ.It has to be said that I am not a fan of these vloggers. SeenThroughGlass has an especially punchable face, IMO.
However, my respect for Shmee has grown since he's seen fit to come here, engage in the debate, and has seemingly been a PHer since he was a teenager (and fairly early in the days of this forum). I just don't get the continual obsession with supercars. As Top Gear showed, you can have just as much fun in some slow but characterful old heap bought for (by Tim's standards) pocket change as you can in whatever the latest million-dollar wonder is.
However, my respect for Shmee has grown since he's seen fit to come here, engage in the debate, and has seemingly been a PHer since he was a teenager (and fairly early in the days of this forum). I just don't get the continual obsession with supercars. As Top Gear showed, you can have just as much fun in some slow but characterful old heap bought for (by Tim's standards) pocket change as you can in whatever the latest million-dollar wonder is.
johnwilliams77 said:
Lol.Shmee gets a bit of stick on PH, not everyone can relate to his middle-class or relentlessly upbeat style, lack of technical nerdery, and there are a lot of green-eyed monsters on here who get upset by his silver spoon and / or decent YT / social-media revenues.
But, like or dislike, there's no denying his (and the team's) hard work.
You can see from the published videos that he prepares well before shooting, speaks quickly on camera so the audience doesn't click away, thinks about and improves his presenting style, edits the videos crisply and rapidly, travels a fair bit to film stuff, and posts a heck of a lot of content by video and message.
He's clearly a mindful and hard worker. Fair play to the dude. Deserves his emerging fame.
Yipper said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Lol.Shmee gets a bit of stick on PH, not everyone can relate to his middle-class or relentlessly upbeat style, lack of technical nerdery, and there are a lot of green-eyed monsters on here who get upset by his silver spoon and / or decent YT / social-media revenues.
But, like or dislike, there's no denying his (and the team's) hard work.
You can see from the published videos that he prepares well before shooting, speaks quickly on camera so the audience doesn't click away, thinks about and improves his presenting style, edits the videos crisply and rapidly, travels a fair bit to film stuff, and posts a heck of a lot of content by video and message.
He's clearly a mindful and hard worker. Fair play to the dude. Deserves his emerging fame.
i know tge did before the ban but it was less of a discussion and more of a advert for his youtube.
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