Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
Discussion
I have a bit of respect for Paul Wallace. He basically came from nothing and was one of the first non wealthy people to get in on the you tube scene. I like his content although I think he does struggle from time to time. I think his current car is a mistake for views / income.
S150, Mr JWW, StG, they are very much old money. 150 admits he used to be in the finance game and made his money. I suspect his family have a good bit of cash too. JWW is also from a well off family. Not sure about Seen Through Glass but I find his videos to be the best of the lot and his technical ability with the camera and editing shows its just content that's lacking. Again car not helping.
And before you think this vlogging is all a kids game check out our own Harry M - he started a channel a few years ago called Harrys Garage and he literally filmed his first few episodes with a potato.
The difference is he has access to machinery the others can only dream of.
My concern for the likes of SOL is when the hype dies down he might stuggle. On the plus side being small means you can adapt and move quick - this was the problem Chris Harris had they were doing it "proper" and had to pay people, suppliers, travel, insurance etc. A guy with a camera has almost zero costs.
The one I really, really don't like is Seb Delaney, the one who says MOR----NING on every f**king video. Enough already!!!!
Anyway, off to watch some proper petrol heads... Mighty Car Mods.. then F1.
S150, Mr JWW, StG, they are very much old money. 150 admits he used to be in the finance game and made his money. I suspect his family have a good bit of cash too. JWW is also from a well off family. Not sure about Seen Through Glass but I find his videos to be the best of the lot and his technical ability with the camera and editing shows its just content that's lacking. Again car not helping.
And before you think this vlogging is all a kids game check out our own Harry M - he started a channel a few years ago called Harrys Garage and he literally filmed his first few episodes with a potato.
The difference is he has access to machinery the others can only dream of.
My concern for the likes of SOL is when the hype dies down he might stuggle. On the plus side being small means you can adapt and move quick - this was the problem Chris Harris had they were doing it "proper" and had to pay people, suppliers, travel, insurance etc. A guy with a camera has almost zero costs.
The one I really, really don't like is Seb Delaney, the one who says MOR----NING on every f**king video. Enough already!!!!
Anyway, off to watch some proper petrol heads... Mighty Car Mods.. then F1.
johnwilliams77 said:
This guy has a better personality, IMO.
http://youtu.be/bWQ_2HG8IWg
I really enjoy his videos because he's very humble.http://youtu.be/bWQ_2HG8IWg
Credit where it's due. These are a group of young men making their own films about cars. They put them on YouTube and some people watch them if they want to. They are not hurting anyone and nobody is forced to watch. They are all amatures and some are more natural and easier to watch than others.
I'll admit that Shmee needs to widen his vocabulary, but in a world full of us miserable old gits, there might be a place for some youthful enthusiasm occasionally. Having said that, he has done a couple of videos where things have not gone to plan (a fine for making too much noise in Monaco) where he has come across as far more genuine and is more watchable because of it. Maybe he will calm down as he gets older.
If some told you that you could go out, enjoy life and then make a few quid from showing it to other people, would you not jump at the chance?
I see quite a lot of these as my 7 year old loves watching the road trips, some I pay attention to, others not so much. I am slightly puzzled by the whole 'spotting' thing though. I appreciate a nice car as much as anyone, but even my little one won't watch them because they are too boring.
Anyway, a lot of words just to say each to their own.
I'll admit that Shmee needs to widen his vocabulary, but in a world full of us miserable old gits, there might be a place for some youthful enthusiasm occasionally. Having said that, he has done a couple of videos where things have not gone to plan (a fine for making too much noise in Monaco) where he has come across as far more genuine and is more watchable because of it. Maybe he will calm down as he gets older.
If some told you that you could go out, enjoy life and then make a few quid from showing it to other people, would you not jump at the chance?
I see quite a lot of these as my 7 year old loves watching the road trips, some I pay attention to, others not so much. I am slightly puzzled by the whole 'spotting' thing though. I appreciate a nice car as much as anyone, but even my little one won't watch them because they are too boring.
Anyway, a lot of words just to say each to their own.
I still prefer Monky London and Mighty Car Mods (and some of Harris' when he was still on youtube) because the subject matter is attainable and/or presented in a non pretentious manner. As someone else mentioned the constant fawning over super cars is cringey in the extreme.
Without sounding too smug as a regular Sunday service attendee these videos aren't showing me anything I haven't seen already.
Without sounding too smug as a regular Sunday service attendee these videos aren't showing me anything I haven't seen already.
LanceRS said:
Credit where it's due. These are a group of young men making their own films about cars. They put them on YouTube and some people watch them if they want to. They are not hurting anyone and nobody is forced to watch. They are all amatures and some are more natural and easier to watch than others.
I'll admit that Shmee needs to widen his vocabulary, but in a world full of us miserable old gits, there might be a place for some youthful enthusiasm occasionally. Having said that, he has done a couple of videos where things have not gone to plan (a fine for making too much noise in Monaco) where he has come across as far more genuine and is more watchable because of it. Maybe he will calm down as he gets older.
If some told you that you could go out, enjoy life and then make a few quid from showing it to other people, would you not jump at the chance?
I see quite a lot of these as my 7 year old loves watching the road trips, some I pay attention to, others not so much. I am slightly puzzled by the whole 'spotting' thing though. I appreciate a nice car as much as anyone, but even my little one won't watch them because they are too boring.
Anyway, a lot of words just to say each to their own.
They are all amatures? What's that?I'll admit that Shmee needs to widen his vocabulary, but in a world full of us miserable old gits, there might be a place for some youthful enthusiasm occasionally. Having said that, he has done a couple of videos where things have not gone to plan (a fine for making too much noise in Monaco) where he has come across as far more genuine and is more watchable because of it. Maybe he will calm down as he gets older.
If some told you that you could go out, enjoy life and then make a few quid from showing it to other people, would you not jump at the chance?
I see quite a lot of these as my 7 year old loves watching the road trips, some I pay attention to, others not so much. I am slightly puzzled by the whole 'spotting' thing though. I appreciate a nice car as much as anyone, but even my little one won't watch them because they are too boring.
Anyway, a lot of words just to say each to their own.
I used to watch these guys a bit, but I've concluded they are more interested in the supercar 'lifestyle' than the cars themselves. none of them ever drive the cars particularly hard or do anything very interesting with them other than drive to car meets and rev the engines in traffic and through tunnels. I don't begrudge their success, I do find it a little puzzling though, I assume a proportion of the audience doesn't drive and therefore perhaps they aren't interested in that side of it?
They did a trackday together at Anglesey a while back and it was rather boring to watch with very little in-car footage. rather strange to watch a car on the track when 90% of the footage is the camera pointing at the driver.
I was hoping Archie Hamilton might bring something new to the party as a racing driver, but I presume it's difficult to film anything 'interesting' without attracting criticism and potentially run ins with the law, although chris harris etc seem to get away with some quite lively road driving in their videos.
Seems the video content in general is about the person and what they get up to, rather than the cars or the people they meet - a vanity project perhaps, but seems to appeal to youtube viewer aspirations - more 'keeping up with the kardasians' rather than '5th gear'.
I agree that SOL and seen through glass have bought the wrong cars for their target audience - a jag and a merc - would have been better to buy older / 'better' cars like a McLaren / Lambo / Ferrari but they seem to have gone for what is 'new'. In my view Schme150 is likely to have longer time in the lime light as he has access to and can afford some very serious new cars which the audience love. Seb has some good ideas and access to interesting people - I liked the 911 video in new York with the japanesse guy modifying the arches etc by hand - but he needs to mature a bit.
I thought about making some videos about the cars I have and the varied things I get up to with them, but looking at the viewing figures, to be successful on youtube its the very latest hypercar stuff that gets far more views than anything else. the audience seems to want to watch these guys gushing over the latest or most expensive cars and occasionally drive them slowly through crowded city streets.
They did a trackday together at Anglesey a while back and it was rather boring to watch with very little in-car footage. rather strange to watch a car on the track when 90% of the footage is the camera pointing at the driver.
I was hoping Archie Hamilton might bring something new to the party as a racing driver, but I presume it's difficult to film anything 'interesting' without attracting criticism and potentially run ins with the law, although chris harris etc seem to get away with some quite lively road driving in their videos.
Seems the video content in general is about the person and what they get up to, rather than the cars or the people they meet - a vanity project perhaps, but seems to appeal to youtube viewer aspirations - more 'keeping up with the kardasians' rather than '5th gear'.
I agree that SOL and seen through glass have bought the wrong cars for their target audience - a jag and a merc - would have been better to buy older / 'better' cars like a McLaren / Lambo / Ferrari but they seem to have gone for what is 'new'. In my view Schme150 is likely to have longer time in the lime light as he has access to and can afford some very serious new cars which the audience love. Seb has some good ideas and access to interesting people - I liked the 911 video in new York with the japanesse guy modifying the arches etc by hand - but he needs to mature a bit.
I thought about making some videos about the cars I have and the varied things I get up to with them, but looking at the viewing figures, to be successful on youtube its the very latest hypercar stuff that gets far more views than anything else. the audience seems to want to watch these guys gushing over the latest or most expensive cars and occasionally drive them slowly through crowded city streets.
PorkRind said:
I find the young pretenders like schmee mildly irritating as I feel they dont come across as knowledgeable as the likes of Harry Metcalf / Chris Harris and the Drive crew. They just bang on, in an espresso 'verbal diarrhoea' fashion about how nice the car is to look at and how good the interior is, but with very little talk about how the car handles performs etc. I'd take the quality over quantity videos any day of the week and its clear the youtubers are in it for the money rather than for getting factual, accurate information across. Entertaining it is not.
Unfortunately that's the way it seems to be these days. Kids would rather see some gold wrapped Aventador shooting flames in Knightsbridge than hear how an Elise handles on track.The finances of these youtubers is strange. Yes it's not really any ones business but it gives young kids the impression that they can get a supercar if they wander around the back of Harrods with a Sony Handicam for a few hours.
I don't believe that Shmee made all his cash in 'finance' either. He seems to have been doing full time Youtube stuff for a long time now which would mean he would have had to make a lot of cash, very quickly at a pretty young age. Not impossible but unlikely and if he was that good at it why give it up when he could be like Andy74b making millions and buying any car he wants?
I can't remember his name but there is one young Youtube bloke with an F40 who claims that he's a property developer but handily forgets to mention that his father sold Saga Insurance and walked away with about a billion.
Regarding the handling. I doubt any of them would be able to put in anything like a reasonable lap time against someone like Steve S or Chris H.
As for technical ability, ask them to describe how a 4 stroke engine works, or what is the difference between grip and traction, or how does toe in / out work... I doubt any will get simple stuff like that.
But they don't care, because their target audience does not care! Its all about views, clicks, sponsorship.
As for technical ability, ask them to describe how a 4 stroke engine works, or what is the difference between grip and traction, or how does toe in / out work... I doubt any will get simple stuff like that.
But they don't care, because their target audience does not care! Its all about views, clicks, sponsorship.
I find their videos boring but have nothing against their success and can see the appeal for a younger audience . What does grate is that they all come from money (Well known with Schmee, Seb Delainy lives in Monaco..etch) but go to great lengths to pretend that their success and ability to own these cars is self sustained, that is part of the appeal for their viewers.. "One day I could do the same". It is not true. They get a top up from you tube revenues but would not be able to live that lifestyle without having financial backing, let alone have the capital to get it started.
jackpe said:
I find their videos boring but have nothing against their success and can see the appeal for a younger audience . What does grate is that they all come from money (Well known with Schmee, Seb Delainy lives in Monaco..etch) but go to great lengths to pretend that their success and ability to own these cars is self sustained, that is part of the appeal for their viewers.. "One day I could do the same". It is not true. They get a top up from you tube revenues but would not be able to live that lifestyle without having financial backing, let alone have the capital to get it started.
Seb does not live in Monaco.your other comment is clearly wrong too as SOL clearly managed it without significant financial backing
jackpe said:
I find their videos boring but have nothing against their success and can see the appeal for a younger audience . What does grate is that they all come from money (Well known with Schmee, Seb Delainy lives in Monaco..etch) but go to great lengths to pretend that their success and ability to own these cars is self sustained, that is part of the appeal for their viewers.. "One day I could do the same". It is not true. They get a top up from you tube revenues but would not be able to live that lifestyle without having financial backing, let alone have the capital to get it started.
Surely the premise is cars and only cars, not how the cars are funded ?I dont think Schmee has commented about how he funds them, he does a video about the car and we choose to watch it or not ?
Same happened whenever Chris Harris got a new car, "How does he afford that ?" and there is a similar vein running through about the merits of leasing and a sentiment that it isnt quite fair, "he cant really afford that Golf R, he is just renting it".
Are you only allowed a nice car if you earnt the money yourself, even then I guess someone would comment that you are a Lawyer or something, that's not real work, I toiled down t'pit for 40 years to buy this GTR, then someone would say that your GTR is s
t because its "bought, not built".Life isnt always fair, some boys get better toys, get used to it !
Shmee has indeed done a video on how he affords the cars. Not that he went into detail tbh.
TBH I don't blame him, not our business really. I can understand people being a bit peeved about their message in their vids though, often very much look at me, look at me, look at me, here is a car, look at me... etc
I still watch
TBH I don't blame him, not our business really. I can understand people being a bit peeved about their message in their vids though, often very much look at me, look at me, look at me, here is a car, look at me... etc
I still watch
red_slr said:
Shmee has indeed done a video on how he affords the cars. Not that he went into detail tbh.
TBH I don't blame him, not our business really. I can understand people being a bit peeved about their message in their vids though, often very much look at me, look at me, look at me, here is a car, look at me... etc
I still watch
Shmee who is no doubt reading this clearly claims that all the cars he has bought are from his own earnings. He claims he has had other business ventures which had done well but makes no mention of what they are ever or even their names or type of business. I have no idea what revenue he can make from YouTube but clearly shmee's type of video making has very high costs (hotels, fuel, staff) but most recently the stradman did a video stating revenue is able 1000-3000 dollars per million views. SHMEE is no where near a million views per day I do not believe.TBH I don't blame him, not our business really. I can understand people being a bit peeved about their message in their vids though, often very much look at me, look at me, look at me, here is a car, look at me... etc
I still watch
He says he working in banking implying he was some sort of big city bonus taker. Reality from what he had on his public LinkedIn account was different. It said after graduation he worked in IT dept on sharepoint management etc for a financial institution. Obviously he chose to delete this information and I couldn't care less how he had made his moneys it's nice to see his cars at the expense of cringe
johnwilliams77 said:
I have no idea what revenue he can make from YouTube but clearly shmee's type of video making has very high costs (hotels, fuel, staff)
According so SocialBlade, his earnings from the channel could be between £14.7K - £234.8K a year. johnwilliams77 said:
the stradman did a video stating revenue is able 1000-3000 dollars per million views. SHMEE is no where near a million views per day I do not believe.
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