Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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The Surveyor said:
Harry Metcalfe is a proper journalist though...
Lest not forget that HM first came to prominence by writing 'Fast Fleet' monthly reports of his Maserati for the dear departed 'Performance Car' magazine in the late '90s and then joining in on the road trips with the other contributors. Not that far removed in concept from the current social media output of the supercar owning set.I'm sure in 20yrs time Shmee, if he is still going, will be seen as a similarly Time Served enthusiast with first hand knowledge of 21st Century performance cars.
Truckosaurus said:
I'm sure in 20yrs time Shmee, if he is still going, will be seen as a similarly Time Served enthusiast with first hand knowledge of 21st Century performance cars.
In 2040, a now bearded Shmee, tours the world as public speaker regaling stories of "the good times" spent around petrol fueled cars. Or maybe public speaking on this topic becomes just a group watching session of the "best of" YouTube vids from this era!
With the cars that featured, (now unobtainably expensive to own and run even for the rich) all hidden away in collections. I hope this is not the future we are heading towards!
Petrolhead95 said:
Am I the only one that is cringed out watching these supercar pick up videos? TGE's McLaren 720S video was great, but I can't get over how every single person there was filming - am I old fashioned for wanting to enjoy the moment rather than filming everything?
Yes, you are. I´ve watched half of SOL´s Livestream and TGE´s video but didn´t bother to watch anyone else´s content. It seems that these guys desperately want to create content, so they just film the same thing from different angles and with more or less annoying commentary. By the way has anyone seen the RS5 in SOL´s stream? I prefer that to the McLaren, but i´m a weirdo.
Petrolhead95 said:
Am I the only one that is cringed out watching these supercar pick up videos? TGE's McLaren 720S video was great, but I can't get over how every single person there was filming - am I old fashioned for wanting to enjoy the moment rather than filming everything?
I am a bit, but I wonder if it's a generational 'thing'.My mates - these are actual middle-aged blokes that I ride mountain bikes, drink beer, and buy rounds with, as opposed to people on social media - generally take a dim view of photos full stop. There are exceptional events, usually someone crashing, or a spectacular (it does have to be exceptional) view, where someone might be permitted or even expected to take a photograph. On occasion, people may wait while the photo is taken (rather than just f
king off and leaving the photographer behind) and in the most exalted of moments, people in general may permit themselves to be 'in' the picture. They seldom pose. Videos are awkward and subjects tend, at best, to adopt the attitude of the villainous subject of The Cook Report.Massive generational thing! People from 30 and under must film/capture and share everything thy do. I went to a gig, people had paid £130 for the ticket and stood there watching the gig through a 7inch iphone screen!! I had to ask the girl in front of me to move her 2 phones out of my sight line.
Winds me up that everyone has to be constantly boasting about what they are doing!
Winds me up that everyone has to be constantly boasting about what they are doing!
dannyDC2 said:
Cheers pal!
...and since I've just been called out for promoting myself on here (by our mate who will likely spaff in his pants when he see's this)
Did anyone like my E36 vs DC2 track battle vid? There wasn't much 'vlogging' in it - but it seems to have gone down well. I hope people were as happy as me just to have the car back out on track!
Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
(if you can't beat em, join 'em
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(fanboy mode engage)...and since I've just been called out for promoting myself on here (by our mate who will likely spaff in his pants when he see's this)
Did anyone like my E36 vs DC2 track battle vid? There wasn't much 'vlogging' in it - but it seems to have gone down well. I hope people were as happy as me just to have the car back out on track!
Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
(if you can't beat em, join 'em
)Edited by dannyDC2 on Wednesday 2nd August 01:46
Watch all the videos as I enjoy them and miss my vtec fix. I got a text from a friend saying "watched dannys new video yet? if not go watch it" within minutes I was watching it and I knew why my mate messaged me. Jesus that DC2 shifts on. Jord went off as he got past us the other week at Cadwell (he did post the vid) as we where in a 182 but still the DC2 motors on. Looking forward to the new mods!
Really intrested to see if you go to Spa and the Vlog as its a track I have always wanted to do and havent yet!
joshcowin said:
Massive generational thing! People from 30 and under must film/capture and share everything thy do. I went to a gig, people had paid £130 for the ticket and stood there watching the gig through a 7inch iphone screen!! I had to ask the girl in front of me to move her 2 phones out of my sight line.
Winds me up that everyone has to be constantly boasting about what they are doing!
Gigs are totally different. People film at gigs so they can look back on it later and remember the great time they had, not to 'show off'. If they want to film 1 song of a 2-hour show, let them. If they want to film the whole 2-hour show, let them. They paid for their ticket, they can do what they want. Also, it's very easy to watch the performance with your own eyes and hold the phone above your head. Just because they're filming doesn't mean they're watching it through the screen.Winds me up that everyone has to be constantly boasting about what they are doing!
TGETV said:
Won't speak for above subject here, but have found easiest way people hide being gifted large sums of cash via family is by saying they, (bedroom) trade and/or are a property developer. Explains them seemingly endlessly faffing around during the week/working hours but procuring supercars from every orifice. Ten a penny on social media.
I see that a certain other previously prominent instagram property developer (since deleted his instragram profile) is now driving around in a Porsche 918 Spyder - oddly enough he neglected to mention that his grandad founded a huge company and his dad is worth £900m 
AyBee said:
I see that a certain other previously prominent instagram property developer (since deleted his instragram profile) is now driving around in a Porsche 918 Spyder - oddly enough he neglected to mention that his grandad founded a huge company and his dad is worth £900m
Anything to do with chap mentioned below by chance ?RSK21 said:
It's the disingenuous opacity of so many You Tubers/Instagrammers which pees me off. I don't want a forensic examination of each one's personal accounts but if one has been lucky in life and used that as a springboard don't pretend it's all about being "self made" it makes you look a prick unless of course that's a deliberate strategy to hook the hard of thinking for the all important clicks.
Contrast the scion of the Saga dynasty with his River Island equivalent. One's a "property developer" the other admits he's a lucky guy. One strikes me as a nob, the other doesn't.
Contrast the scion of the Saga dynasty with his River Island equivalent. One's a "property developer" the other admits he's a lucky guy. One strikes me as a nob, the other doesn't.
RSK21 said:
AyBee said:
I see that a certain other previously prominent instagram property developer (since deleted his instragram profile) is now driving around in a Porsche 918 Spyder - oddly enough he neglected to mention that his grandad founded a huge company and his dad is worth £900m
Anything to do with chap mentioned below by chance ?RSK21 said:
It's the disingenuous opacity of so many You Tubers/Instagrammers which pees me off. I don't want a forensic examination of each one's personal accounts but if one has been lucky in life and used that as a springboard don't pretend it's all about being "self made" it makes you look a prick unless of course that's a deliberate strategy to hook the hard of thinking for the all important clicks.
Contrast the scion of the Saga dynasty with his River Island equivalent. One's a "property developer" the other admits he's a lucky guy. One strikes me as a nob, the other doesn't.
Contrast the scion of the Saga dynasty with his River Island equivalent. One's a "property developer" the other admits he's a lucky guy. One strikes me as a nob, the other doesn't.
Didn't realise he was in a 918 these days. Completely agree with your summary! I don't understand why it's so important for these guys, either keep a low profile and enjoy your very nice metal or have a public profile and expect to be found out - it's not like he has a common name that is difficult to google 
I’m liking Tanner Fox's vlogs, especially when his gf is riding shotgun (double barrelled pump action – if you know what I’m saying). Definitely has the gift of the gab, very funny/entertaining. But I’m curious how insurance is likely to work in the instance of some generous middle-aged guy lending a random 17 year old an F12 and driving it like this:
https://youtu.be/M5LPjxOGEIE?t=470
TBH, he’s not so random, he’s a car vlogger, with evidence all over his youtube account on how he drives. It must be hellish difficult for Tanner to get covered for that sort of car. So maybe it was the middle aged guys insurance, but it’s equally difficult for me to comprehend how this middle-aged guy has provision on his policy for random 17 year olds to drive his F12.
https://youtu.be/M5LPjxOGEIE?t=470
TBH, he’s not so random, he’s a car vlogger, with evidence all over his youtube account on how he drives. It must be hellish difficult for Tanner to get covered for that sort of car. So maybe it was the middle aged guys insurance, but it’s equally difficult for me to comprehend how this middle-aged guy has provision on his policy for random 17 year olds to drive his F12.
Horsey McHorseface said:
I’m liking Tanner Fox's vlogs, especially when his gf is riding shotgun (double barrelled pump action – if you know what I’m saying).
There's only one reason (well, two) that anyone watches Tanner Fox and I hear that other options are quite easily googleable without the need to listen to Tanner Fox!!If ever anybody needed to learn what the definition of "punching" was...
AyBee said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
I’m liking Tanner Fox's vlogs, especially when his gf is riding shotgun (double barrelled pump action – if you know what I’m saying).
There's only one reason (well, two) that anyone watches Tanner Fox and I hear that other options are quite easily googleable without the need to listen to Tanner Fox!!If ever anybody needed to learn what the definition of "punching" was...
Just checked and Tanner could be making as much as £2.8m off YT: https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/mtflims So I guess he can afford to give away 10% of that on insurance.
Horsey McHorseface said:
I’m liking Tanner Fox's vlogs, especially when his gf is riding shotgun (double barrelled pump action – if you know what I’m saying). Definitely has the gift of the gab, very funny/entertaining. But I’m curious how insurance is likely to work in the instance of some generous middle-aged guy lending a random 17 year old an F12 and driving it like this:
https://youtu.be/M5LPjxOGEIE?t=470
TBH, he’s not so random, he’s a car vlogger, with evidence all over his youtube account on how he drives. It must be hellish difficult for Tanner to get covered for that sort of car. So maybe it was the middle aged guys insurance, but it’s equally difficult for me to comprehend how this middle-aged guy has provision on his policy for random 17 year olds to drive his F12.
I'm surprised anyone over the age of about 20 can watch Tanner Fox. He looks like a little kid and speaks/acts even younger. No actual substance to his content other than "look how rich I am and what cool stuff I'm doing whilst I shriek and saw 'cool' and 'awesome' a lot". Girlfriend looks hot enough.https://youtu.be/M5LPjxOGEIE?t=470
TBH, he’s not so random, he’s a car vlogger, with evidence all over his youtube account on how he drives. It must be hellish difficult for Tanner to get covered for that sort of car. So maybe it was the middle aged guys insurance, but it’s equally difficult for me to comprehend how this middle-aged guy has provision on his policy for random 17 year olds to drive his F12.
TobyTR said:
I'd also like to meet someone who can walk into a lucrative 'job in the city' without a premier university education in finance/shedload of experience. But alas, I will get labelled 'jealous' by people who can't read a sentence for politely debating something...
i'm not sure they'd want to meet you... you'd spend the evening telling them they cant succeed, their career has been a lie and to give up hope - in some bitter drawn out rant about faking success, youtube adding no value to your incomes and not being jealous, honest! Edited by TobyTR on Thursday 3rd August 09:05
Lots of comments here from Mr TobyTR! I'll give some answers to those and others.
There's an assumption that everybody who presents themselves online must either have come from a billionaire family or previously lived in a cardboard box, whereas in reality there is a huge middle-ground.
TobyTR said:
What's the harm in admitting - 'yeah, I come from wealth. I'm not totally self-made, I've combined some good fortune with some smart business decisions' etc instead of 'I'm self-made'
I have never claimed that I didn't come from a decent background; I was well educated, experienced many nice things and most importantly was taught the desire to work hard and aim for success. There's an assumption that everybody who presents themselves online must either have come from a billionaire family or previously lived in a cardboard box, whereas in reality there is a huge middle-ground.
TobyTR said:
But lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It wasn't from scratch, I had been trading on eBay for around 5 years prior to that point during which I had built up some capital, knowledge of the market and suppliers, and then borrowed a short term loan of £7k from my Dad to fund the rent which was then repaid about 3 months later and the rest was on my own.jjr1 said:
Got a job in the City? What job? There seems to be a fairly misunderstood assumption that getting a job in the City makes you rich. What did he actually do in the City?
You're right, there's an assumption it means trading floor superstar or hedge fund manager. In reality I was an Associate as an 'interim' between the Consultancy side of the boutique firm and the Technology development team, as well as running the QA testing setup. Nothing hugely worth shouting about, but a decent job for someone in their young-20s before I went full time on YouTube at 25.TobyTR said:
Nail on the head. The problem I have is it gives 14 year olds and the like false aspirations that by doing something similar with no capital behind them, they too could afford supercars willy-nilly with a bit of hard graft.
What is different to footballers, musicians, actors, etc. To me, there's a huge amount of effort that went in years before you ever saw it, and anybody who succeeds in the industry can do well. It's been nearly a decade since I started Shmee150, but only in the last few years has it gone anywhere significant. At no point have I ever tried to say it is easy and in fact have many times said the opposite.TobyTR said:
The fact is you'll be lucky to bring in £9,000 (at best) from 10 million YouTube views. For those that are in cloud cuckoo land, do the maths.
For what it's worth, 10 million views would pay out at multiples of the figure you quoted, but also that's if you only count YouTube earnings and in my case ignore the other 2/3rds of my total income. I've been more detailed than this before in this thread if you would like to find the information.RSbandit said:
A lot of impressionable youngsters may well think that carspotting/YouTube is a viable career path, look at the amount of spotters on the streets on Monaco during weeks like Top Marques it's frankly ridiculous and quite dangerous with alot of cars driving too fast showing off etc. The utube guys who are established now have been going at least a few years quite difficult to start from scratch and break into that now I'd imagine
Kids at young ages aren't thinking about their careers, they are utilising social media for the enjoyment of cars and the community it creates. Think along the lines of plane or train spotting in the past but now it changes with mobile phones and social networks. Those who do this are a tiny number compared to the likes of youngsters wanting to be the next Neymar or Justin Bieber, and closer to home the YouTubers like Jake Paul (Google with care).Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff