Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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Shmee said:
Kids at young ages aren't thinking about their careers, they are utilising social media for the enjoyment of cars and the community it creates. .
Wait are you saying you think the crazy scenes you see around London etc would still be happening if kids didnt think they could be one of the few to get rich off the back of it? jimmybell said:
i'm not sure they'd want to meet you... you'd spend the evening telling them they cant succeed, their career has been a lie and to give up hope - in some bitter drawn out rant about faking success, youtube adding no value to your incomes and not being jealous, honest! 
Oh look, another one who can't read. Where did you get that twaddle from? Shmee said:
Kids at young ages aren't thinking about their careers, they are utilising social media for the enjoyment of cars and the community it creates. Think along the lines of plane or train spotting in the past but now it changes with mobile phones and social networks. Those who do this are a tiny number compared to the likes of youngsters wanting to be the next Neymar or Justin Bieber, and closer to home the YouTubers like Jake Paul (Google with care).
Shmee, thanks for the reply. I wasn't doubting the hard work involved by you & your colleagues, as I stated multiple times in my previous posts that it obviously requires a lot of sustained hard graft, like any successful venture.My figure was given by YouTube themselves and is the net amount one can expect from those sort of numbers. A couple of friends I know in social media say similar net figures too.
From one petrolhead to another, I have total respect for anyone living their dream and pulling the trigger on the cars you've aspired to own. Like many other posters on this thread, I implore you to keep the content more about the subject matter and less so about the 'first class train ride scenes' etc. Be humble
Best regards
p1stonhead said:
Wait are you saying you think the crazy scenes you see around London etc would still be happening if kids didnt think they could be one of the few to get rich off the back of it?
Yea, absolutely. I can only speak for myself here as a 25 year old - but if when I was 14-16 years old the super car / hypercar scene was how it is now and has been for the past 5-6 years I'd be there with them running around after them and taking photos (and of course if we had phones capable of video lol).
Photography and videography has taken off in a big way due to Instagram and YouTube and the fact you can take and shoot incredible quality photo/videos just off your phone. These people aren't out there to make a fortune. It's the buzz of putting your content out there and watching the response / feedback of likes / comments coming in etc
Edited by TopGear7 on Friday 4th August 10:32
TobyTR said:
Shmee, thanks for the reply. I wasn't doubting the hard work involved by you & your colleagues, as I stated multiple times in my previous posts that it obviously requires a lot of sustained hard graft, like any successful venture.
My figure was given by YouTube themselves and is the net amount one can expect from those sort of numbers. A couple of friends I know in social media say similar net figures too.
From one petrolhead to another, I have total respect for anyone living their dream and pulling the trigger on the cars you've aspired to own. Like many other posters on this thread, I implore you to keep the content more about the subject matter and less so about the 'first class train ride scenes' etc. Be humble
Best regards
www.back-tracking.comMy figure was given by YouTube themselves and is the net amount one can expect from those sort of numbers. A couple of friends I know in social media say similar net figures too.
From one petrolhead to another, I have total respect for anyone living their dream and pulling the trigger on the cars you've aspired to own. Like many other posters on this thread, I implore you to keep the content more about the subject matter and less so about the 'first class train ride scenes' etc. Be humble
Best regards
johnwilliams77 said:
Hardly.If you actually read any of this chap's post you will see that throughout he has been positive about the work and effort required to build an enterprise like Mr Shmee's.
p1stonhead said:
Wait are you saying you think the crazy scenes you see around London etc would still be happening if kids didnt think they could be one of the few to get rich off the back of it?
Having met a load of these 'kids' - I can vouch they're not there in a career capacity. They're there because they love cars, photography and the social side of the other spotters and owners. Some upload to Youtube, but there's nothing premeditated or corporate about what they're up to!TopGear7 said:
Yea, absolutely.
I can only speak for myself here as a 25 year old - but if when I was 14-16 years old the super car / hypercar scene was how it is now and has been for the past 5-6 years I'd be there with them running around after them and taking photos (and of course if we had phones capable of video lol).
Photography and videography has taken off in a big way due to Instagram and YouTube and the fact you can take and shoot incredible quality photo/videos just off your phone. These people aren't out there to make a fortune. It's the buzz of putting your content out there and watching the response / feedback of likes / comments coming in etc
The quality or otherwise of a picture or video is not in the resolution. Crap in Dolby surround 4k is still crap.I can only speak for myself here as a 25 year old - but if when I was 14-16 years old the super car / hypercar scene was how it is now and has been for the past 5-6 years I'd be there with them running around after them and taking photos (and of course if we had phones capable of video lol).
Photography and videography has taken off in a big way due to Instagram and YouTube and the fact you can take and shoot incredible quality photo/videos just off your phone. These people aren't out there to make a fortune. It's the buzz of putting your content out there and watching the response / feedback of likes / comments coming in etc
Edited by TopGear7 on Friday 4th August 10:32
And the second bit is just opportunistic narcism.
Horsey McHorseface said:
Just checked and Tanner could be making as much as £2.8m off YT: https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/mtflims So I guess he can afford to give away 10% of that on insurance.
I would take those numbers with a pinch of salt. I wish I earned from ads what that website thinks I do! 
TGETV said:
Having met a load of these 'kids' - I can vouch they're not there in a career capacity. They're there because they love cars, photography and the social side of the other spotters and owners. Some upload to Youtube, but there's nothing premeditated or corporate about what they're up to!
If only really hot women were attracted to supercars...Escy said:
dannyDC2 said:
Did anyone like my E36 vs DC2 track battle vid? There wasn't much 'vlogging' in it - but it seems to have gone down well. I hope people were as happy as me just to have the car back out on track!
Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
(if you can't beat em, join 'em
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I really enjoyed it. You can definately drive and you weren't shy with that BMW. After seeing the camera set-up in it I think you should do the same, it made the track stuff more interesting, especially your fancy footwork. Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
(if you can't beat em, join 'em
)Kev_Mk3 said:
(fanboy mode engage)
Watch all the videos as I enjoy them and miss my vtec fix. I got a text from a friend saying "watched dannys new video yet? if not go watch it" within minutes I was watching it and I knew why my mate messaged me. Jesus that DC2 shifts on. Jord went off as he got past us the other week at Cadwell (he did post the vid) as we where in a 182 but still the DC2 motors on. Looking forward to the new mods!
Really intrested to see if you go to Spa and the Vlog as its a track I have always wanted to do and havent yet!
Ha, that is pretty surreal hearing people texting their mates to watch my videos! Watch all the videos as I enjoy them and miss my vtec fix. I got a text from a friend saying "watched dannys new video yet? if not go watch it" within minutes I was watching it and I knew why my mate messaged me. Jesus that DC2 shifts on. Jord went off as he got past us the other week at Cadwell (he did post the vid) as we where in a 182 but still the DC2 motors on. Looking forward to the new mods!
Really intrested to see if you go to Spa and the Vlog as its a track I have always wanted to do and havent yet!
I have done a VLOG at Spa before, but it was when I'd just started VLOG'ing so I'm not sure if it would be worth a watch. Obviously I'm not allowed to link it but feel free to try and hunt it down
dannyDC2 said:
Obviously I'm not allowed to link it
Look, mods, can we say that for this thread, it's ok for people to link their own stuff? I do understand the general rule to avoid self-promotion on the forum, but this thread is specifically all about discussing Youtubers, and if someone wandered in giving it a load of guff just trying to drum up views, I expect they'd meet with a level of abuse that would be as effective at getting them out the thread as a ban would.S11Steve said:
This also relates back to when I was in affiliate marketing 10 years ago. A new concept can gain traction quickly as word spreads, revenue comes quick and in good quantities, however the novelty wears off over time, but also plagiarism comes into play. If other people in the sector see that you have a good idea, it gets copied, and therefore diluted which directly affects revenue.
Staying one step ahead of everyone is damn hard.
Plagurism is excellent in AM. Why take the time to create angles etc when you can just take what someone else tested to positive ROI?Staying one step ahead of everyone is damn hard.
The difference between the winners and losers in AM is how creative you are when it comes to spinning ads.
The only time plagurism has sucked for me is when someone ripped my lander, then DMCA'd me for my own content, so I couldn't use my own content for 3 weeks :/ But they are now banned from the network.
TGETV said:
For sure. Trod this road a few years back with LDNM. Started as a hobby, (updating social media when we remembered or could be bothered), was fresh, and was a lot easier/arguably more enjoyable. No processes, no accountability, no finances, no expenses. Brilliant.
As time goes on it became more engrained as a livelihood and for others around me, and took shape as more of a business, it's a lot more difficult to be fresh/organic/engaging when you have an international multi level business to run, and some people have been customers for 3-4 years.
My Youtube bits are a drop in the ocean atm, it is at the stage that LDNM was in 2013, and I take my hat off to those that've been at it full time for a number of years, particularly the 'pioneers' in this field. Really is not easy at all to maintain.
It could however be easy for me to be smug with 40 something videos I haven't really needed to make, and nobody seemingly bored of me yet, but let's see where we are this time next year. That will be telling. My guess is it could all be in the bin by then as I'm about to start 'steering' away from cars as much as I can.
Please just keep your style.As time goes on it became more engrained as a livelihood and for others around me, and took shape as more of a business, it's a lot more difficult to be fresh/organic/engaging when you have an international multi level business to run, and some people have been customers for 3-4 years.
My Youtube bits are a drop in the ocean atm, it is at the stage that LDNM was in 2013, and I take my hat off to those that've been at it full time for a number of years, particularly the 'pioneers' in this field. Really is not easy at all to maintain.
It could however be easy for me to be smug with 40 something videos I haven't really needed to make, and nobody seemingly bored of me yet, but let's see where we are this time next year. That will be telling. My guess is it could all be in the bin by then as I'm about to start 'steering' away from cars as much as I can.
Like now you say s
t like "700 odd hp meh i dunno who cares" don't change this to "it has seven hundred and two point 10 horse power" otherwise you will sound like all the other YT's.johnwilliams77 said:
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RSK21 said:
Yes
How did you know ? We have been trying so hard, for so long, to keep a secret from our friends and families never mind the many thousands of alpha males here on Pistonheads but now thanks to your rapier like insight and military grade gaydar it's out there I feel strangely liberated.
Rather than call you out for being a total bellend and somebody enamoured of a vicarious fantasy lifestyle his social standing and piss poor education are never likely to cause him to achieve I thank you, from the bottom of my heart and indeed the heart of my bottom for allowing me this enormous sense of freedom and new found happiness.
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Rather than call you out for being a total bellend and somebody enamoured of a vicarious fantasy lifestyle his social standing and piss poor education are never likely to cause him to achieve I thank you, from the bottom of my heart and indeed the heart of my bottom for allowing me this enormous sense of freedom and new found happiness.
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New video from Seenthroughglass: "My Hunt For A Classic Car [Episode 1]" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7YeN_v-edM
Does this appease the Pistonhead Forum gods?
Does this appease the Pistonhead Forum gods?
dannyDC2 said:
Ha, that is pretty surreal hearing people texting their mates to watch my videos!
I have done a VLOG at Spa before, but it was when I'd just started VLOG'ing so I'm not sure if it would be worth a watch. Obviously I'm not allowed to link it but feel free to try and hunt it down
I know the one I have watched it I have done a VLOG at Spa before, but it was when I'd just started VLOG'ing so I'm not sure if it would be worth a watch. Obviously I'm not allowed to link it but feel free to try and hunt it down
hey if it helps my brother watches you in Oz to think the fact I had a ep3 and your dc2 the vtec fix made him get a FN2 Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff