Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????

[Beefmeister]

johnwilliams77 said:

Calm yourself big boy

I'm perfectly calm thanks cupcake. I just have zero tolerance for pricks like you that turn to petty homophobic slurs every time someone sticks up for someone else.

[slk 32]

jon- said:

slk 32 said:

andrewparker said:

So why do we think people are pulling out of 720s orders?

I would imagine a lot of people were hoping to flip for a quick profit and realised this wasn't going to happen

Is the bubble finally on its way out?

The new GT3 hurting the R, and porsches statements around that won't be helping

With interest rates being at a record low for years cars have been seen as another asset class to pump money into for better returns.

It does seem that things may be about to change

[KHK]

Aventador S is probably the worst car to buy atm. The car is depreciation while in transit to the dealers lol.

[limpsfield]

Beefmeister said:

johnwilliams77 said:

Calm yourself big boy

I'm perfectly calm thanks cupcake. I just have zero tolerance for pricks like you that turn to petty homophobic slurs every time someone sticks up for someone else.

Your running to the defence of the choobers- who seem happy to speak for themselves- is a tad cringeworthy. I am just saying. But it's just cars on the internet so none of this matters.

[johnwilliams77]

Beefmeister said:

I'm perfectly calm thanks cupcake. I just have zero tolerance for pricks like you that turn to petty homophobic slurs every time someone sticks up for someone else.

Bless.

[Beefmeister]

Christ the level of smug self-pleasuring is sickening.

I'm not 'sticking up for them' I'm stating facts. I know a lot of them on a professional level (we work together a fair bit), some very well as friends and yes it irks somewhat when people make sweeping statements as fact without actually knowing any of the facts.

That's the last I'll say on the matter as frankly it's rather boring having to defend myself to children on the internet.

So, back to the topic at hand. Anyone else pissed off that Colin Furze destroyed an e30?

[ooid]

I'm not so sure why people would suddenly start pulling out of their 720s orders? (or any other model/brand super car for its own sake) . Sounded more like a bitter response.

[anonymous-user]

limpsfield said:

Your running to the defence of the choobers- who seem happy to speak for themselves- is a tad cringeworthy. I am just saying. But it's just cars on the internet so none of this matters.

I'm afraid, this.

[andrewparker]

ooid said:

I'm not so sure why people would suddenly start pulling out of their 720s orders? (or any other model/brand super car for its own sake) . Sounded more like a bitter response.

It's certainly unusual, but I've heard it mentioned elsewhere too, so the comment hasn't come exclusively from TGE. I guess I'm just surprised given the high acclaim the car has received, or are McLaren launching an LT version in the very near future?

Edited by andrewparker on Sunday 17th September 21:01

[Beefmeister]

ooid said:

I'm not so sure why people would suddenly start pulling out of their 720s orders? (or any other model/brand super car for its own sake) . Sounded more like a bitter response.

I know of 6 cancelled orders. People who have £250k to spend on these cars will usually be pretty good with money and will always have an eye on depreciation - it's a very rare case where someone doesn't care about it.

The residuals on the 720S are not great - many were expecting them to retain their value for a while or even go up initially and if that's not happening people just aren't interested in dropping lots of money.

[Brainpox]

andrewparker said:

It's certainly unusual, but I've heard it mentioned elsewhere too, so the comment hasn't come exclusively from TGE. I guess I'm just surprised given the high acclaim the car has received, or are McLaren launching an LT version in the very near future?

Edited by andrewparker on Sunday 17th September 21:01

From a total outsiders perspective - McLaren seem to have a track record of something always about to come out.

Then you have the LT controversy where people bought the coupe thinking it would be limited, and then the spyder came out with greater appeal and doubling the numbers.

If I were a wealthy man looking to get a crazy car but be sensible about it, McLaren would be the last place I'd look because I feel like you'd never know what's coming in a couple of months. Unless you have insider knowledge it's a bit of a punt.

[S11Steve]

Beefmeister said:

I know of 6 cancelled orders. People who have £250k to spend on these cars will usually be pretty good with money and will always have an eye on depreciation - it's a very rare case where someone doesn't care about it.

The residuals on the 720S are not great - many were expecting them to retain their value for a while or even go up initially and if that's not happening people just aren't interested in dropping lots of money.

I'm much more familiar with the residuals on cars and rental vans - I'm working on CAP on another screen at the moment, such are the joys of my Sunday night....

What are the affecting factors on RV of cars like that? Supply is clearly different to your typical Mondeo or 320d, so what impacts the 720 over say the 650 or 570?

[Streetrod]

S11Steve said:

Beefmeister said:

I know of 6 cancelled orders. People who have £250k to spend on these cars will usually be pretty good with money and will always have an eye on depreciation - it's a very rare case where someone doesn't care about it.

The residuals on the 720S are not great - many were expecting them to retain their value for a while or even go up initially and if that's not happening people just aren't interested in dropping lots of money.

I'm much more familiar with the residuals on cars and rental vans - I'm working on CAP on another screen at the moment, such are the joys of my Sunday night....

What are the affecting factors on RV of cars like that? Supply is clearly different to your typical Mondeo or 320d, so what impacts the 720 over say the 650 or 570?

Guys, can I ask where you are all getting your information from as according to my latest search there only appears to be a tiny handfull (less than ten) 720s on sale at the moment and they all seem to be close to or above list.

So where is the data to back up the "residuals on the 720S are not great" statements?

Personally, I am not expecting the 720s to hold its new car value, its a production car for goodness sake that McLaren will sell as many as are demanded.

To those expecting these or any car of their type to be solid gold assets, you are I am afraid deluding yourselves

[CityS]

Shmee thinks TGE's 720s is the least exciting car at Topaz (showroom)...

Edited by CityS on Sunday 17th September 21:49

[Beefmeister]

Streetrod said:

Guys, can I ask where you are all getting your information from as according to my latest search there only appears to be a tiny handfull (less than ten) 720s on sale at the moment and they all seem to be close to or above list.

So where is the data to back up the "residuals on the 720S are not great" statements?

Personally, I am not expecting the 720s to hold its new car value, its a production car for goodness sake that McLaren will sell as many as are demanded.

To those expecting these or any car of their type to be solid gold assets, you are I am afraid deluding yourselves

Asking price has very little correlation to what they're actually selling for. I know of three traded privately for list or below as people just aren't willing to pay overs.

This is down to many factors which have already been discussed. In reality if you think of cars like this historically they've dropped a st tonne of money, all except for the limited runs like Speciale/LT. The 720S is no exception, just like the 650S.

[Name of user]

I think this discussion has been missing this:

It's a car. Get over it.

[red_slr]

KHK said:

I feel bad for Seb because he seems like a good guy who got in way over his head. Glad he admitted it, moved on and getting back to basics.

Going his own direction from the sounds of it which is good as too many people doing the same thing.

[RobDown]

Name of user said:

I think this discussion has been missing this:

It's a car. Get over it.

You do know this is Pistonheads? You know....kind of forum for discussing cars (and other vehicles)?

[RobDown]

CityS said:

Shmee thinks TGE's 720s is the least exciting car at Topaz (showroom)...

Edited by CityS on Sunday 17th September 21:49

No idea if he said that. But if he did he might be right

The problem for me with the 720S is that it's a bit,well, ugly (don't take my word for it. The McLaren forum on here is currently having a debate as to what paint colour best hides the atrocity that is front lights)

And that's a problem for a supercar. It may (and does) have the dynamics. But if it doesn't also tick the box for being beautiful and sounding good (fail) then you have to question its ultimate appeal. I'm trying to think of many 'classic' ugly supercars

[KHK]

Mclaren seems to have a new car every six months so no way the 720s will hold it's value long term. Same could be said about Lambo atm, the Huracan is getting so many variants which is killing resale values. Customers are still waiting to take delivery of their Performante's in the US/Canada because of an issue with the EPA and there's already talk about a couple more performance variants of the H that will be faster and most likely limited.

I don't blame manufacturers, liked already mentioned in his thread a few times the cheap money days are coming to an end so they might as well milk the market while you can.