Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????

[Shmee]

camshafted said:

Thanks Tim.

You'll know far more about the GT than most. Is there a reason behind the 1,000 production run?

As they will want the car to be used and exposed, why not build an amount that satisfies customer demand?

Or, even at £450,000, is it a loss-leader for them and 500-1,000 will cover most of the production and development costs while attracting customers into more 'real world' Ford Performance cars?

The original intention was a build run of 4.5 years, at a production of 1 car per working day from Multimatic. That suggested it would reach circa 1,125 cars in total however due to a late start, and a slower production rate than anticipated, the first 500 cars will consume at least 3 years of the 4.5 cycle.

I understand that the production capacity is limited by Multimatic's own output; although presumably had they wanted to enlarge that it could have been done with preparation. Therefore as you suggest I'd presume it is a loss-leader so the limitation is how many they actually want to build as opposed to how many they can build.

I'm sure somebody at Ford calculated that they could have sold another 4,000 or so and decided not to do that and it's only guesswork from us why they didn't. At the end of the day, even if they did build more I presume the numbers in their books are rather minuscule compared to sales of the more mainstream vehicles; even Ford Performance can't be hugely significant to Ford as an overall brand.

[TGETV]

e30m3Mark said:

Hopefully silences the doubters.

Odd that you get so much stick for selling your cars and/or spending your cash however you see fit. Quite like the video's and a bit of welcome lighthearted relief from the PPF, wrap content. Mind you, the shakey, wandering about camera footage causes some sea sickness.

Any plans to do anything with more humble forms of transportation that us lesser mortals (with rubbish credit) might relate to?

Apologies; the live streams have to be filmed on iPhone realistically, and when at an event it's hard to keep it still while strolling.

I will be collecting a new 'daily', alongside my twin brother also collecting a new daily this Saturday coming. Double twin collection
We are talking something a lot more attainable, but no less exciting to my mind! Really looking forward to it!

[Streetrod]

TGETV said:

Hi everyone, apologies, had a busy weekend to be getting on with.
Back at work on the snacks trolley today so got a few mins to calm things down - this may annoy some people but at least it should be clear,

- Sold car privately on McLaren owners forum; lost more than £5k. Originally agreed list with 2 people both pulled out within days. Eventually got someone to agree after dropping price. No dealers wanted it, and McLaren didn't return messages or calls about selling it for me. They got first refusal and had known the car was coming up for sale in Sept for months in advance. Still no buyer found. It was a pain.
- I can fill a hand with friends that have cancelled theirs, and that's only the start of it.
- The new owner has since been away, so left car at his friends at GVE, & they've gone fishing with it (believe me I followed right up when I saw it online)
- Prices things are listed at aren't neccessarily the price they sell for
- The point before this is important

Would like to stress, losing money on a full production McLaren is hardly a suprise. This soon, possibly slightly eyebrow raising, but not totally unexpected. Do I care? Not really, still worth it for the experience, and is not a lot to lose in the scheme of things. Just a shame I didn't have it longer, and I must say the recent cancellations and other shenanigans did rock my confidence and pushed me into punting it with slightly more urgency than perhaps I anticipated.
For those saying I bought it to make money with - I may look stupid, but buying a non limited £250k McLaren in an overpriced, launch, basic spec, then selling as we approach autumn is hardly investment material. I had estimated up to £15k loss between my June - Sept ownership period which I was willing to roll with. I've done ok on some cars which luckily I've not loved, meaning sale has been easy, and the others have held or dropped nominal amounts. Yes, I don't keep them forever, but I like variation. I am happy to admit the only mistake I think I've made was selling my F12.
Residuals are one factor of many I consider when buying a car, not the only one.
The only reason I'm able to drive these things is because of my attitude towards where I have stuck my cash over the past few years, and I make no apology my way of doing things.

Aventador S is controversial, and technically a 'worse' car than the 720S. But I want a silly 6.5L V12 in my ears behind my head. Would never have bought the old one, but this new one they've done just about enough to make it passable, IMO. Again, not an investment. If I SOR it for a sensible fee I'm hoping to get out without losing too much - but it's definitely not an investment! I love cars and want to own them all while I'm young and I can.

Hi Tom, you have made various comments about people cancelling their orders for 720s but have not said why. To some that might sound like muck racking. Would you care to put some context around these statements to releave the taste of what appears to be sour grapes

[TGETV]

Streetrod said:

Hi Tom, you have made various comments about people cancelling their orders for 720s but have not said why. To some that might sound like muck racking. Would you care to put some context around these statements to releave the taste of what appears to be sour grapes

Why would it be sour grapes? I was lucky to have one, and enjoyed the car immensely.
People have had different reasons for cancelling; I was just stating fact & providing some vaguely relevant context. Not everything on the internet has to be somesort of 'beef'.

[BlackLabel]

Can someone sell a YT channel? Do the YT t&cs allow this and is there even a market for such a thing? For example, if a shmee150 with 1m+ subscribers or a SOL with 500k+ wanted to get out could they simply sell their YT channel, Facebook and instagram pages etc?

[Streetrod]

Beefmeister said:

Streetrod said:

Guys, can I ask where you are all getting your information from as according to my latest search there only appears to be a tiny handfull (less than ten) 720s on sale at the moment and they all seem to be close to or above list.

So where is the data to back up the "residuals on the 720S are not great" statements?

Personally, I am not expecting the 720s to hold its new car value, its a production car for goodness sake that McLaren will sell as many as are demanded.

To those expecting these or any car of their type to be solid gold assets, you are I am afraid deluding yourselves

Asking price has very little correlation to what they're actually selling for. I know of three traded privately for list or below as people just aren't willing to pay overs.

This is down to many factors which have already been discussed. In reality if you think of cars like this historically they've dropped a st tonne of money, all except for the limited runs like Speciale/LT. The 720S is no exception, just like the 650S.

News flash, new car losses money on resale, has this not always been the case?

There seems to be a certain buyer nowadays who thinks they are entitled to make money on any new supercar purchase. This has been encouraged by the manufacturers producing limited run specials then only allowing them to be sold to select customers. Its like been rejected at the velvet rope to get into the latest nightclub, it's at that point you become desperate to get into join the elite.

Personally, I will be glad when these speculators are weeded out of the market as they distort things for the real fans. Unfortunately, this will not stop the OEM's from playing their silly games

[Streetrod]

TGETV said:

Streetrod said:

Hi Tom, you have made various comments about people cancelling their orders for 720s but have not said why. To some that might sound like muck racking. Would you care to put some context around these statements to releave the taste of what appears to be sour grapes

Why would it be sour grapes? I was lucky to have one, and enjoyed the car immensely.
People have had different reasons for cancelling; I was just stating fact & providing some vaguely relevant context. Not everything on the internet has to be somesort of 'beef'.

Mate I am not trying to say you have some kind of beef. its just your statements leaves so much open to speculation. You must realise that the truth hates a vacumm.

If you were able to give a couple of examples as to why your friends have cancelled then everyone is clear about the reasons. If it was a personal reason then no issues but if there were serious technical issues then it would be right to share those with other potential customers to help them make informed decisions

Edited by Streetrod on Monday 18th September 11:47

[TGETV]

Streetrod said:

Mate I am not trying to say you have some kind of beef. its just your statements leaves so much open to speculation. You as must realise that the truth hates a vacumm.

If you were able to give a couple of examples as to why your friends have cancelled then everyone is clear about the reasons. If it was a personal reason then no issues but if there were serious technical issues then it would be right to share those with other potential customers to help them make informed decisions

No serious technical issues.

[johnwilliams77]

At least Ashwin hosue developer uses his properly! Legend.

[Beefmeister]

johnwilliams77 said:

Legend.

Oh terribly sorry, I must get out from 'twixt Tom's arse cheeks eh John?

[johnwilliams77]

Beefmeister said:

Oh terribly sorry, I must get out from 'twixt Tom's arse cheeks eh John?

Short memory?

Beefmeister said:

That's the last I'll say on the matter as frankly it's rather boring having to defend myself to children on the internet.

[WCZ]

BlackLabel said:

Can someone sell a YT channel? Do the YT t&cs allow this and is there even a market for such a thing? For example, if a shmee150 with 1m+ subscribers or a SOL with 500k+ wanted to get out could they simply sell their YT channel, Facebook and instagram pages etc?

good question

[camshafted]

WCZ said:

good question

Very good question. I know people sell Instagram and Twitter accounts.

[Shmee]

WCZ said:

BlackLabel said:

Can someone sell a YT channel? Do the YT t&cs allow this and is there even a market for such a thing? For example, if a shmee150 with 1m+ subscribers or a SOL with 500k+ wanted to get out could they simply sell their YT channel, Facebook and instagram pages etc?

good question

To the best of my knowledge, yes it's something that can be done.

[Purso]

from a layman's perspective it would be difficult for youtube to be able to stop you.

[lewishollings]

WCZ said:

BlackLabel said:

Can someone sell a YT channel? Do the YT t&cs allow this and is there even a market for such a thing? For example, if a shmee150 with 1m+ subscribers or a SOL with 500k+ wanted to get out could they simply sell their YT channel, Facebook and instagram pages etc?

good question

Yes it's possible and has been done in the post, mainly on the top fails of the month type channels though.

You could spend as much as you want on a channel and it still wouldn't get watched, people don't watch it just because of the name, they watch it for the person.

[Davey S2]

TGETV said:

I had estimated up to £15k loss between my June - Sept ownership period which I was willing to roll with.

£15K to do a couple of thousand miles pootling around London and parking up at car shows?

Each to their own.

[johnwilliams77]

Davey S2 said:

£15K to do a couple of thousand miles pootling around London and parking up at car shows?

Each to their own.

He got to show lots of 'excited fans' him taking delivery of the car, though. Surely you cant put a price on the attention.

[Truckosaurus]

camshafted said:

Very good question. I know people sell Instagram and Twitter accounts.

Also the many Facebook "Like this page if you like chips" pages, in fact most were created just for that reason.

There's several YouTube channels I subscribe to that I wouldn't notice if they changed ownership and started putting out new (interesting) content under a different name, I'd just assume I'd subscribed all along and they'd just got a Second Wind and restarted.

[e30m3Mark]

Beefmeister said:

So, back to the topic at hand. Anyone else pissed off that Colin Furze destroyed an e30?

Would have preferred he used a worse example but his car at the end of the day. I didn't make it to the end of the video though anyway.