Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????

[red_slr]

And the extra 500 subs will help how (serious question!)? He makes a pretty good living I would have thought via city job and health supplement stuff.

I just don't see the point. He started so far behind the curve and still works the day job to pay for the toys. I just don't compute that as a good use of time. Do it for sh*ts and giggles but to actually take time out to promote yourself seems like a waste to me when it takes days of work to produce one video like that for 60k views.

If it were me I would still be buying the toys and going actually enjoying myself rather than trying to confirm to this Vlogger lifestyle everyone seems to want to get into.

[S11Steve]

red_slr said:

And the extra 500 subs will help how (serious question!)? He makes a pretty good living I would have thought via city job and health supplement stuff.

I just don't see the point. He started so far behind the curve and still works the day job to pay for the toys. I just don't compute that as a good use of time. Do it for sh*ts and giggles but to actually take time out to promote yourself seems like a waste to me when it takes days of work to produce one video like that for 60k views.

If it were me I would still be buying the toys and going actually enjoying myself rather than trying to confirm to this Vlogger lifestyle everyone seems to want to get into.

Indeed - he's clearly not short of a few quid, he's got many other business interests, and is far from unintelligent, so creating this for the fans just seems to me like an ego-feeding exercise.
It's almost as if he is doing it for his own sense of self-importance than for the kids (and 20+ year old kids) who fawn over him and his beard.

I don't see where the sustainability is in this style of vlog, what's the long game here?

[camshafted]

Beefmeister said:

Exactly, I already explained it. It's for views and to engage the fans.

It's a business, he needs the fans to feel engaged to feel closer to the 'celebrity'. These younger guys look up to these YouTubers, just because you don't doesn't mean either of you is wrong.

One thing on the 'younger guys looking up' to YouTubers. That's the thing which I find curious. Why do they look up to them? Take the car vloggers: They are entertaining but, generally, they're not as good at writing or conveying their thoughts as full-time journalists, they're not as good at driving as the professionals and they're not as good at presenting as the TV guys. Yet they're hugely popular. It's fascinating, and fair play to them for them achieving success.

This isn't just motoring, it's vlogging in general.

Here are an interesting few tweets about YouTubers / Influencers on the back of the Zoella advent calendar row last week - https://twitter.com/hansmollman/status/93087932203...

[Petrolhead95]

Maybe I'm getting old and boring but TGE's collection video was seriously cringeworthy. No idea why Pangbourne let in 1000 spotty teenagers that are creaming themselves over the guy but each to their own.

[e30m3Mark]

S11Steve said:

creating this for the fans just seems to me like an ego-feeding exercise.
It's almost as if he is doing it for his own sense of self-importance than for the kids (and 20+ year old kids) who fawn over him and his beard.

It does seem to be lots of pre teens who like his 'rev battles', 'drive thru in an XYZ' and 'Let's see how many people look at us?'' type video's with few exceptions here. I guess things like the flash car, expensive watches and facial hair are all things they see as aspirational and they are simply living vicariously through his vids, whilst massaging his ego?

Good luck to him though. I don't suppose it does any harm, although I can't see it lasting.

[S11Steve]

camshafted said:

Here are an interesting few tweets about YouTubers / Influencers on the back of the Zoella advent calendar row last week - https://twitter.com/hansmollman/status/93087932203...

Great reference amongst that about "faux friendship" - and going back to Stan, these are fans, not friends, but I don't think everybody realises that, fan nor vlogger.

[anonymous-user]

The ever charming Lord is back in The You Tube scene once again.

Decent editing from the outfit he uses

https://youtu.be/Ia_Y0MtSZhY

On a related note how does one manage to escape a one year driving ban once it has apparently been handed out ?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th November 14:46

[Horsey McHorseface]

RSK21 said:

On a related note how does one manage to escape a one year driving ban once it has been apparently been handed out ?

Friends in high places, the same as how a ‘business’ like PET keeps going.

Petrolhead95 said:

Maybe I'm getting old and boring but TGE's collection video was seriously cringeworthy. No idea why Pangbourne let in 1000 spotty teenagers that are creaming themselves over the guy but each to their own.

Not least when the removal of the cars cover was met by rapturous silence.

[S11Steve]

RSK21 said:

On a related note how does one manage to escape a one year driving ban once it has been apparently been handed out ?

Do you ever see him driving on the road though? There is indeed a guy with a beard and hoody behind the wheel of the white SV, but is it clear who it is?
Not saying he actually got a "stunt-double", but I suspect that would be his defence....

[limpsfield]

Beefmeister said:

He admitted in the video he was very nervous going up there - the level if exposure he's getting certainly doesn't sit naturally with him I don't think, he's quite a private person normally.

Hang on a sec. I don’t think any of these you tubers are shrinking violets. You don’t start the whole vlogging thing and film the mundanity of going to McDonalds for a quiet life.

We all have egos. When I watch some of the stuff on YouTube it is cringeworthy - let’s not pretend though that these guys don’t love it. You don’t need to tell the world when you are picking up your new car.

[slk 32]

limpsfield said:

Hang on a sec. I don’t think any of these you tubers are shrinking violets. You don’t start the whole vlogging thing and film the mundanity of going to McDonalds for a quiet life.

We all have egos. When I watch some of the stuff on YouTube it is cringeworthy - let’s not pretend though that these guys don’t love it. You don’t need to tell the world when you are picking up your new car.

+1

[Shmee]

I work excruciatingly hard to keep my privacy and not have people knowing where I am or where I live, however I now get a tonne of abuse for not telling the audience when I'm collecting a new car.

For example the AMG GT R, the messages that arrive are now of disappointment that they didn't know I was getting it; whereas I'm completely the other way around. Most of the content I actually post on Instagram/Facebook etc is now a few days behind real time or even more - barely anything is live for many privacy reasons.

[slk 32]

camshafted said:

Beefmeister said:

Exactly, I already explained it. It's for views and to engage the fans.

It's a business, he needs the fans to feel engaged to feel closer to the 'celebrity'. These younger guys look up to these YouTubers, just because you don't doesn't mean either of you is wrong.

One thing on the 'younger guys looking up' to YouTubers. That's the thing which I find curious. Why do they look up to them? Take the car vloggers: They are entertaining but, generally, they're not as good at writing or conveying their thoughts as full-time journalists, they're not as good at driving as the professionals and they're not as good at presenting as the TV guys. Yet they're hugely popular. It's fascinating, and fair play to them for them achieving success.

This isn't just motoring, it's vlogging in general.

Here are an interesting few tweets about YouTubers / Influencers on the back of the Zoella advent calendar row last week - https://twitter.com/hansmollman/status/93087932203...

Because young gullible idiots see it as a way of owning expensive cars / watches without much effort

[slk 32]

Shmee said:

I work excruciatingly hard to keep my privacy and not have people knowing where I am or where I live, however I now get a tonne of abuse for not telling the audience when I'm collecting a new car.

For example the AMG GT R, the messages that arrive are now of disappointment that they didn't know I was getting it; whereas I'm completely the other way around. Most of the content I actually post on Instagram/Facebook etc is now a few days behind real time or even more - barely anything is live for many privacy reasons.

It seems strange that some people who watch your videos seem to actually think they own a part of you

You come across as a fairly decent chap who has a real passion for cars..some of the other vloggers it seems to be driven by ego and aspirational lifestyle peddling

[S11Steve]

Shmee said:

I work excruciatingly hard to keep my privacy and not have people knowing where I am or where I live, however I now get a tonne of abuse for not telling the audience when I'm collecting a new car.

For example the AMG GT R, the messages that arrive are now of disappointment that they didn't know I was getting it; whereas I'm completely the other way around. Most of the content I actually post on Instagram/Facebook etc is now a few days behind real time or even more - barely anything is live for many privacy reasons.

Without wanting to sound like a fawning fanboy, but I think you have this pretty well balanced - engaging viewers without having them follow you around like a Pied Piper.
Part of the problem must lie with the viewers though, many of whom view vloggers as "friends", because they follow you on social media like they do with their real life friends.

It's probably one thing getting recognised at an airport or car show, but having people follow you around Waitrose (or Edeka...) is a bit too invasive

[kiethton]

S11Steve said:

Do you ever see him driving on the road though? There is indeed a guy with a beard and hoody behind the wheel of the white SV, but is it clear who it is?
Not saying he actually got a "stunt-double", but I suspect that would be his defence....

Pretty clear shot at 4:10....and 4:22

[jon-]

Shmee said:

I work excruciatingly hard to keep my privacy and not have people knowing where I am or where I live, however I now get a tonne of abuse for not telling the audience when I'm collecting a new car.

For example the AMG GT R, the messages that arrive are now of disappointment that they didn't know I was getting it; whereas I'm completely the other way around. Most of the content I actually post on Instagram/Facebook etc is now a few days behind real time or even more - barely anything is live for many privacy reasons.

I was just out shooting various F Types with Alex from carthrottle. They posted a story on instagram and around 15 minutes later a kid turned up in an MX5.

I know it happens, but the speed of it was insane. And the video gave very little away about the location, just a muddy car park in the country.

[rich12]

Horsey McHorseface said:

Friends in high places, the same as how a ‘business’ like PET keeps going.

I'd love to know the ins and outs of that business. I know first hand that the business model would never be able to pay for what seems like a very well fitted out premises. Unless they're hiring out every single car every single day for retail money, it just isn't possible.

[anonymous-user]

kiethton said:

Pretty clear shot at 4:10....and 4:22

Yep

So question stands, how does one overturn such things ?

[BlackLabel]

RSK21 said:

Yep

So question stands, how does one overturn such things ?

Was he banned for getting to 12 points or was it a single offence ban? If it’s the former he probably appealed with a sob story of why he needs his licence. There are lots of drivers out there with 12 or more points who are still allowed to drive.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...