Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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Yipper said:
Know someone who runs a (small) company that has been mentioned and featured in a handful of YouTuber "meets" since the New Year (they are late to the game). They spent half-a-day filming one 15-minute video, and they've since seen about ~£10k of new business from people who saw it and rang them up to get work done and mentioned the videos.
Social media does work, if targeted accurately. It's just online word-of-mouth. Not rocket science.
How interestingSocial media does work, if targeted accurately. It's just online word-of-mouth. Not rocket science.
Welp.
Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche
Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?
Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche
Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?mdk1 said:
Tim, quick question if I may.
With all your globe trotting, which mobile phone provider do you use for calls and data?
Or do you have a pocket full of SIM cards for each country?
I primarily use a 3 sim card, but I have a PD Mate 10 and frequently swap the sim in the second slot for different countries - as you expect I have a bit of a selection. I also have a variety of mobile hot spots because you never know when a video needs to be uploaded from a car or with to circumvent a failing hotel WiFi network.With all your globe trotting, which mobile phone provider do you use for calls and data?
Or do you have a pocket full of SIM cards for each country?
jon- said:
Welp.
Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?
Do not fear! The YouTube algorithms do not differentiate Likes and Dislikes, they count as one metric for the stats to prevent damaging effects from this kind of action. Unless something has changed, this was specifically done so that these kind of bot behaviours wouldn't damage legitimate content.Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche
Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?I've never had it happen or even seen it, you have to wonder how or why it would do, what the benefit is to somebody etc.
Shmee said:
mdk1 said:
Tim, quick question if I may.
With all your globe trotting, which mobile phone provider do you use for calls and data?
Or do you have a pocket full of SIM cards for each country?
I primarily use a 3 sim card, but I have a PD Mate 10 and frequently swap the sim in the second slot for different countries - as you expect I have a bit of a selection. I also have a variety of mobile hot spots because you never know when a video needs to be uploaded from a car or with to circumvent a failing hotel WiFi network.With all your globe trotting, which mobile phone provider do you use for calls and data?
Or do you have a pocket full of SIM cards for each country?
jon- said:
Welp.
Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?
Do not fear! The YouTube algorithms do not differentiate Likes and Dislikes, they count as one metric for the stats to prevent damaging effects from this kind of action. Unless something has changed, this was specifically done so that these kind of bot behaviours wouldn't damage legitimate content.Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche
Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?I've never had it happen or even seen it, you have to wonder how or why it would do, what the benefit is to somebody etc.
Beefmeister said:
Tony's a really lovely bloke. I get on with him quite well because he's a fair bit older than TGE/Archie/Paul/Sam (as I am), has a family, that sorta thing. He probably comes across as a 'hanger on' as he hasn't got his own YT channel, and doesn't intend to. He's really got into the whole YT scene as a way to enjoy his cars a lot more and get some exposure for Gravelwood Car Sales which has really worked AFAIK.
With a 488 Spider, Huracan Performante and 991.2 GT3 he's got a better car collection than the rest too, plus they get driven a lot more as he does a lot of Supercar Driver events.
You know some of these guys? Why haven't you mentioned this before?With a 488 Spider, Huracan Performante and 991.2 GT3 he's got a better car collection than the rest too, plus they get driven a lot more as he does a lot of Supercar Driver events.
jon- said:
Welp.
Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?
Just checked, that's crazy man wtf! Have you got in touch with YouTube about it?Sunday I uploaded a video about whether you can use trackday tyres year round.
It was tracking quite well for me, all the comments were positive, 180 likes and 1 dislike, 5k views in 24 hours, then a few hours ago it got nearly 800 dislikes in a few minutes.
I'm assuming a "youtube bomb" bot, but won't know until the stats update in 48 hours. There was a thread on reddit about this last week, it totally kills the video as that ratio of like to dislikes means it will get dropped even from your subscribers suggested.
Can't think of anyone who would want to do that to my channel as I have no real competition in my niche
Tim, have you ever had anything like that before?As Shmee said, you might actually see an increase in engagement from it though, every cloud!
dannyDC2 said:
BecomingPatrick said:
e30m3Mark said:
How many people realistically choose their tyres because some bloke on YT runs them for money?
More than you'd think. Outside of people on Pistonheads or enthusiast forums many won't know what tyres to buy and when they see someone they are a fan of using a certain tyre they will instantly think it's the best choice (rightly or wrongly).Less about direct instant sales and more about being front of mind. It's not like everyone tomorrow will go buy a set of Michelins but the next time they need tyres, they may have watched a MrJWW video the night before
It works!
Edited by e30m3Mark on Wednesday 21st February 09:34
Truckosaurus said:
On the JWW/Michelin tie-up. His father is a former Michelin employee.
There's a lot of brand synergy between James and how Michelin want to be seen, I can see why they've done this. Plus, compared to TV, the exposure over the 8 or so videos they'll make together is comparatively cheap.DomesticM said:
What a small world - I've used your website quite a few times to help me decide what tyres to get. Subbed to your channel, I'm quite geeky when it comes to stuff like that.
Thanks, glad you find it useful!dannyDC2 said:
Just checked, that's crazy man wtf! Have you got in touch with YouTube about it?
As Shmee said, you might actually see an increase in engagement from it though, every cloud!
As Shmee said, you might actually see an increase in engagement from it though, every cloud!
Shmee said:
Do not fear! The YouTube algorithms do not differentiate Likes and Dislikes, they count as one metric for the stats to prevent damaging effects from this kind of action. Unless something has changed, this was specifically done so that these kind of bot behaviours wouldn't damage legitimate content.
I've never had it happen or even seen it, you have to wonder how or why it would do, what the benefit is to somebody etc.
Tim / Danny, I'm not sure I'm as optimisic as you. Have a read of this:I've never had it happen or even seen it, you have to wonder how or why it would do, what the benefit is to somebody etc.
https://imgur.com/a/QTc8B
http://reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7y5whw/9749_d...
After a bit of googling, 750 dislikes would have cost someone about $50. I've been in touch with YT, I'll follow up if I get a reply.
jon- said:
Tim / Danny, I'm not sure I'm as optimisic as you. Have a read of this:
https://imgur.com/a/QTc8B
http://reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7y5whw/9749_d...
After a bit of googling, 750 dislikes would have cost someone about $50. I've been in touch with YT, I'll follow up if I get a reply.
Hmm, that's recent as well. Hopefully YouTube will crack down on it soon. https://imgur.com/a/QTc8B
http://reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/7y5whw/9749_d...
After a bit of googling, 750 dislikes would have cost someone about $50. I've been in touch with YT, I'll follow up if I get a reply.
Perhaps it's an attack on your business by a competitor? Keep us updated, interested to know how this goes.
Are you with a network? Only ask as the chap on Reddit was.
I'm not sure being in a network made a huge difference to the situation as described, other than adding another layer of people saying "sorry, we can't do anything"...
I guess just see what happens with future videos. It's entirely possible it's nothing to do with you at all, and it's just someone who really hates Michelin, or a Cup Sport 2 ran over his cat or whatever. If it isn't happening to you regularly, my guess would be that rather being an attack on your channel, something about that video happened to get you caught by how someone's set up an automated bot downvoting of videos that meet certain criteria.
I guess just see what happens with future videos. It's entirely possible it's nothing to do with you at all, and it's just someone who really hates Michelin, or a Cup Sport 2 ran over his cat or whatever. If it isn't happening to you regularly, my guess would be that rather being an attack on your channel, something about that video happened to get you caught by how someone's set up an automated bot downvoting of videos that meet certain criteria.
dannyDC2 said:
Hmm, that's recent as well. Hopefully YouTube will crack down on it soon.
Perhaps it's an attack on your business by a competitor? Keep us updated, interested to know how this goes.
Are you with a network? Only ask as the chap on Reddit was.
No network sadly, I don't monetize my videos normally. The one advantage of being the only person in the world geeky enough to bother reviewing tyres is that I have no real competitors Perhaps it's an attack on your business by a competitor? Keep us updated, interested to know how this goes.
Are you with a network? Only ask as the chap on Reddit was.
Apart from MrJWW now... 
(joke, I know James)InitialDave said:
I'm not sure being in a network made a huge difference to the situation as described, other than adding another layer of people saying "sorry, we can't do anything"...
I guess just see what happens with future videos. It's entirely possible it's nothing to do with you at all, and it's just someone who really hates Michelin, or a Cup Sport 2 ran over his cat or whatever. If it isn't happening to you regularly, my guess would be that rather being an attack on your channel, something about that video happened to get you caught by how someone's set up an automated bot downvoting of videos that meet certain criteria.
I'm leaning towards a random event, but will see what YT say.I guess just see what happens with future videos. It's entirely possible it's nothing to do with you at all, and it's just someone who really hates Michelin, or a Cup Sport 2 ran over his cat or whatever. If it isn't happening to you regularly, my guess would be that rather being an attack on your channel, something about that video happened to get you caught by how someone's set up an automated bot downvoting of videos that meet certain criteria.
Actually, I take that back. 15th Feb, no unusual watch time and had a spike of dislikes on a different video
ETA, I had no views from Russia or Ukraine on that video on that day!
Edited by jon- on Wednesday 21st February 11:33
jon- said:
Actually, I take that back. 15th Feb, no unusual watch time and had a spike of dislikes on a different video
ETA, I had no views from Russia or Ukraine on that video on that day!
Ridiculous. YT need to get a grip on this PDQ or their algos and channel will be worthless in fairly short order. Of course, this must beg the question; if you're video has been clobbered negatively, are some exploiting/paying robots to get bunked up in the ratings?ETA, I had no views from Russia or Ukraine on that video on that day!
Yipper said:
Know someone who runs a (small) company that has been mentioned and featured in a handful of YouTuber "meets" since the New Year (they are late to the game). They spent half-a-day filming one 15-minute video, and they've since seen about ~£10k of new business from people who saw it and rang them up to get work done and mentioned the videos.
Social media does work, if targeted accurately. It's just online word-of-mouth. Not rocket science.
No you don't...Social media does work, if targeted accurately. It's just online word-of-mouth. Not rocket science.
jon- said:
I'm leaning towards a random event, but will see what YT say.
Actually, I take that back. 15th Feb, no unusual watch time and had a spike of dislikes on a different video
ETA, I had no views from Russia or Ukraine on that video on that day!
Perhaps it's just some tActually, I take that back. 15th Feb, no unusual watch time and had a spike of dislikes on a different video
ETA, I had no views from Russia or Ukraine on that video on that day!
Edited by jon- on Wednesday 21st February 11:33
t testing their bot, and you fell victim... Same source as the chap on Reddit too. Damn Eastern bots, they destroyed Twitter now they're taking our YouTube!
YouTube replied yet?
P.S good work pieing off the networks - I get the occasional email from them wanting to "team up" etc. Load of s
te. InitialDave said:
I'm not sure being in a network made a huge difference to the situation as described, other than adding another layer of people saying "sorry, we can't do anything"...
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Agreed, I was only curious as the chap on Reddit mentioned being part of a network, and I thought it could have been an attack on the network rather than totally random. .
Just trying to help piece it together
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