Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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Personally I don't give a toss what these guys do to earn a crust but, by living your life online for all and sundry to fawn over, I suppose it's only to me expected?
Portray yourself as a super car owning, Rolex wearing, jet setting stallion of a man, with heards of prepubescent boys glued to your every move in numerous videos and you're simply asking to get taken down a peg or three.
Even if the cars aren't really yours and the "lifestyle" not real, the damage is already done. The price of becoming a "celebrity". People are weird at the best of times and those on the internet, weirder still.
Portray yourself as a super car owning, Rolex wearing, jet setting stallion of a man, with heards of prepubescent boys glued to your every move in numerous videos and you're simply asking to get taken down a peg or three.
Even if the cars aren't really yours and the "lifestyle" not real, the damage is already done. The price of becoming a "celebrity". People are weird at the best of times and those on the internet, weirder still.
e30m3Mark said:
Why?
Because he might have felt it was unnecessary and breaking the PH rules. Which it clearly was, otherwise they wouldn’t have deleted the details. Anyway, I can’t be bothered taking about it any more, shall we move onto other things?
Like the fact that Shmee totally owned all the other YTers and ‘professional’ journos by getting to drive the R8 RWS in November and posting his video the day before they all got to drive it?
That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
For the sake of clarity, I would say that I’m not particularly a fan of TGE’s channel although he has owned some cars that I’m interested in. He clearly puts a lot of thought into the cars he purchases from a financial perspective.
There was a discussion about one of his businesses and I sought to provide some additional information. I am interested in the financial side of business anyway and it’s quite clear that he uses Youtube and social media to promote his other business interests.
Other members had already made speculative posts about the business and those posts weren’t taken down so I had no reason to think that my, fact-based information, would contravene the rules.
Some people seem to have objected to my post on the basis that the information provided was private, but I must stress that it is publicly available to anyone. I obtained it from Companies House, a Government website.
Pistonheads chose to remove my post and I have no problem with that and won’t be appealing their decision.
There was a discussion about one of his businesses and I sought to provide some additional information. I am interested in the financial side of business anyway and it’s quite clear that he uses Youtube and social media to promote his other business interests.
Other members had already made speculative posts about the business and those posts weren’t taken down so I had no reason to think that my, fact-based information, would contravene the rules.
Some people seem to have objected to my post on the basis that the information provided was private, but I must stress that it is publicly available to anyone. I obtained it from Companies House, a Government website.
Pistonheads chose to remove my post and I have no problem with that and won’t be appealing their decision.
Beefmeister said:
Like the fact that Shmee totally owned all the other YTers and ‘professional’ journos by getting to drive the R8 RWS in November and posting his video the day before they all got to drive it?
That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
I drove the RWS a few weeks ago, wish I'd made a video now. Didn't realise the embargo lifted the morning they were flying out there!That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
Not that I'm a car reviewer, would have just been nice to be ahead of the curve
jon- said:
Beefmeister said:
Like the fact that Shmee totally owned all the other YTers and ‘professional’ journos by getting to drive the R8 RWS in November and posting his video the day before they all got to drive it?
That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
I drove the RWS a few weeks ago, wish I'd made a video now. Didn't realise the embargo lifted the morning they were flying out there!That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
Not that I'm a car reviewer, would have just been nice to be ahead of the curve
I just thought it was a funny turn of events, weird timing by Audi too as there have been a couple for sale on AT since before Xmas.
But I haven’t driven one, nor was I invited to any launch so what do I know
Just came across this thread and whilst having read a few pages (not all forgive me but I have to go watch my favoutite other Youtubers) I was thinking alot of the comments and people on this forum have mirrored re: about these famous Youtubers such as Archie Hamilton / TGE / Shmee / Anishvin et al.
When they 1st came on the scene especially Shmee they were interesting and unique and something new compared to mainstream guys like the Topgear trio and Chris Harris et al (whose past videos on his Drive channel such as the McLaren P1 were fantastically edited and shot) and the Car Magazine / Evo / Autoexpress lads some of whose monotone videos would put you to sleep honestly.
Now they are just repetitive and you can tell clearly they are just taking advantage of all the followers and subscribers that they have by
a) Revenue Stream (fair play why shouldn't you if you can make money from your followers and companies want to pay you for exposure)
b) Invitations and events by the car makers most likely fully paid for accomodation and flights etc (again re: why wouldn't you)
c) Access to waiting lists to whom other people have to chance to access ie: Porsche GT3 etc. (again why wouldn't you of course) I would sell a kidney to get on to such lists especially when you ring around a few dealers and get laughed at on the phone when you even enquire. Porsche OPC pr*cks but thats a thread for another day.
d) Promote their other businesses that they only have now as a result of their reach of audience or following the above.
I may be generalising here so forgive me any fans of the above or the persons involved. TGE and Archie - Most of their videos now are just them driving around central London which their annoying mates and other hang-er on-ers and other friends and its just so obviously over the top and commenting on things for the sake of commenting on things being chased around by pre-pubescent teens who think or want to do the same when they grow up. Society really is f*cked - again a thread for another day.
One particular Youtuber's videos are so clickbait the comments under his videos are more entertaining than the video itself.
Anishvin has been promoted non-stop via Youtube adverts ecommendations this has to be paid for obviously by the dude himself so he can get more subscribers.
My point is if you dont like these so called Youtubers videos and content; don't watch. Which is what I have chosen to do. YOUR views and likes and subscriber numbers are what gives these guys their £££ and power. Social media is fickle so vote with your feet or in this case your eyes and brains.
Have recently started watching German and American Youtuber guys with much better content, who talk about the actual cars, are super-knowledgable about what they are talking about and brilliant editing and shooting angles all in 4K.
This is not a rant just to say open your mind up to other great content on Youtube and let these guys channels die the death they deserve because if you get excited by some guy pressing an accelerator and all of his friends getting h*rny at the sound of the exhaust maybe you need a reality check yourself.
When they 1st came on the scene especially Shmee they were interesting and unique and something new compared to mainstream guys like the Topgear trio and Chris Harris et al (whose past videos on his Drive channel such as the McLaren P1 were fantastically edited and shot) and the Car Magazine / Evo / Autoexpress lads some of whose monotone videos would put you to sleep honestly.
Now they are just repetitive and you can tell clearly they are just taking advantage of all the followers and subscribers that they have by
a) Revenue Stream (fair play why shouldn't you if you can make money from your followers and companies want to pay you for exposure)
b) Invitations and events by the car makers most likely fully paid for accomodation and flights etc (again re: why wouldn't you)
c) Access to waiting lists to whom other people have to chance to access ie: Porsche GT3 etc. (again why wouldn't you of course) I would sell a kidney to get on to such lists especially when you ring around a few dealers and get laughed at on the phone when you even enquire. Porsche OPC pr*cks but thats a thread for another day.
d) Promote their other businesses that they only have now as a result of their reach of audience or following the above.
I may be generalising here so forgive me any fans of the above or the persons involved. TGE and Archie - Most of their videos now are just them driving around central London which their annoying mates and other hang-er on-ers and other friends and its just so obviously over the top and commenting on things for the sake of commenting on things being chased around by pre-pubescent teens who think or want to do the same when they grow up. Society really is f*cked - again a thread for another day.
One particular Youtuber's videos are so clickbait the comments under his videos are more entertaining than the video itself.
Anishvin has been promoted non-stop via Youtube adverts ecommendations this has to be paid for obviously by the dude himself so he can get more subscribers.
My point is if you dont like these so called Youtubers videos and content; don't watch. Which is what I have chosen to do. YOUR views and likes and subscriber numbers are what gives these guys their £££ and power. Social media is fickle so vote with your feet or in this case your eyes and brains.
Have recently started watching German and American Youtuber guys with much better content, who talk about the actual cars, are super-knowledgable about what they are talking about and brilliant editing and shooting angles all in 4K.
This is not a rant just to say open your mind up to other great content on Youtube and let these guys channels die the death they deserve because if you get excited by some guy pressing an accelerator and all of his friends getting h*rny at the sound of the exhaust maybe you need a reality check yourself.
Beefmeister said:
e30m3Mark said:
Why?
Because he might have felt it was unnecessary and breaking the PH rules:Anyway, moving on.
Yipper said:
Folk always overestimate profit margins for companies.
Alphabet, Microsoft and Apple do 30,000 to 120,000 times more revenue, and at least 2 to 6 times more revenue per employee, than LDNM... they have unimaginable scale for software, downloads, services and physical products... and their net margins struggle to get above 20-25%.
With at least 4 owners dipping into the cash pool, on modest revenues and scale, it points to modest, not big, payouts. And if they are making big payouts, then it may not be sustainable.
Either way, it's fair to say he is doing a good job for himself. All income streams combined, a crude guess suggests he's making £100-300k a year, which is pretty good for that age (any age).
Riiight.Alphabet, Microsoft and Apple do 30,000 to 120,000 times more revenue, and at least 2 to 6 times more revenue per employee, than LDNM... they have unimaginable scale for software, downloads, services and physical products... and their net margins struggle to get above 20-25%.
With at least 4 owners dipping into the cash pool, on modest revenues and scale, it points to modest, not big, payouts. And if they are making big payouts, then it may not be sustainable.
Either way, it's fair to say he is doing a good job for himself. All income streams combined, a crude guess suggests he's making £100-300k a year, which is pretty good for that age (any age).
And look at what they don't have to pay for in comparison to these companies you speak of.
R&D
Staff
Lawsuits
Buildings
Company Cars
Insurance for all those people in those buildings and cars.
Healthcare
Political Lobbying
Off the record hand outs for legislation and probably many other reasons.
Dedicated internet lines for buildings
On site datacentres
Shipping
EU fines of billions of euros.
Shareholders.
I could go on.
You are seriously comparing a 4 man company to one that employs 127,000 (in full time roles only).
Seriously you people are verging on the line of sadness looking people up on the companies house.
If you don't enjoy their videos...don't watch them?
You have already banned the guy from the forum and now you still go on about him knowing he can't defend himself... another sad move.
< just my opinion. I'm not associated with any of them. I just watch their videos. And Shmees.
mehmehmeh said:
Riiight.
And look at what they don't have to pay for in comparison to these companies you speak of.
R&D
Staff
Lawsuits
Buildings
Company Cars
Insurance for all those people in those buildings and cars.
Healthcare
Political Lobbying
Off the record hand outs for legislation and probably many other reasons.
Dedicated internet lines for buildings
On site datacentres
Shipping
EU fines of billions of euros.
Shareholders.
I could go on.
You are seriously comparing a 4 man company to one that employs 127,000 (in full time roles only).
Seriously you people are verging on the line of sadness looking people up on the companies house.
If you don't enjoy their videos...don't watch them?
You have already banned the guy from the forum and now you still go on about him knowing he can't defend himself... another sad move.
< just my opinion. I'm not associated with any of them. I just watch their videos. And Shmees.
And look at what they don't have to pay for in comparison to these companies you speak of.
R&D
Staff
Lawsuits
Buildings
Company Cars
Insurance for all those people in those buildings and cars.
Healthcare
Political Lobbying
Off the record hand outs for legislation and probably many other reasons.
Dedicated internet lines for buildings
On site datacentres
Shipping
EU fines of billions of euros.
Shareholders.
I could go on.
You are seriously comparing a 4 man company to one that employs 127,000 (in full time roles only).
Seriously you people are verging on the line of sadness looking people up on the companies house.
If you don't enjoy their videos...don't watch them?
You have already banned the guy from the forum and now you still go on about him knowing he can't defend himself... another sad move.
< just my opinion. I'm not associated with any of them. I just watch their videos. And Shmees.
Why enter into a debate with Yipper about the comparison of Companies if the topic is sad and has no interest for you? Surely that’s a bit hypocritical.
MrReg said:
Beefmeister said:
AJB1971 said:
Yipper said:
Folk always overestimate profit margins for companies.
Alphabet, Microsoft and Apple do 30,000 to 120,000 times more revenue, and at least 2 to 6 times more revenue per employee, than LDNM... they have unimaginable scale for software, downloads, services and physical products... and their net margins struggle to get above 20-25%.
With at least 4 owners dipping into the cash pool, on modest revenues and scale, it points to modest, not big, payouts. And if they are making big payouts, then it may not be sustainable.
Either way, it's fair to say he is doing a good job for himself. All income streams combined, a crude guess suggests he's making £100-300k a year, which is pretty good for that age (any age).
Alphabet, Microsoft and Apple do 30,000 to 120,000 times more revenue, and at least 2 to 6 times more revenue per employee, than LDNM... they have unimaginable scale for software, downloads, services and physical products... and their net margins struggle to get above 20-25%.
With at least 4 owners dipping into the cash pool, on modest revenues and scale, it points to modest, not big, payouts. And if they are making big payouts, then it may not be sustainable.
Either way, it's fair to say he is doing a good job for himself. All income streams combined, a crude guess suggests he's making £100-300k a year, which is pretty good for that age (any age).
Edited by andy.mod on Wednesday 28th February 15:46
Here come the self-important, self-appointed forum police who are desperate to control other people's lives
The info is in the public domain.
It has been in the public domain for at least 1 year.
The guy, himself, under his own volition, and without coercion, went willingly and ably to the public press and public media and the public government records and publicly told the global and UK public his profession and his company's financial stats and its financial performance and its shareholders and its shareholder structure for the public to publicly read in a modern public society free from fascist online public oppression.
Don't blab your finances in public, and then complain when the public reads your finances.
jon- said:
Beefmeister said:
Like the fact that Shmee totally owned all the other YTers and ‘professional’ journos by getting to drive the R8 RWS in November and posting his video the day before they all got to drive it?
That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
I drove the RWS a few weeks ago, wish I'd made a video now. Didn't realise the embargo lifted the morning they were flying out there!That’s one great big FU to the people who complain about him on Twitter...
Not that I'm a car reviewer, would have just been nice to be ahead of the curve
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