Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????

[aji621]

Shmee, I cant say I'm much of a viewer of your channel, but I did take an evening to sit and watch your recent driving your cars at Nurburgring's gp track.

wow, very very jealous.

Looked awesome to have them all there, loved how much enjoyment you seemed to get out of your cars, was cool to see from myself as im at almost the polar opposite of the car community to you. but i enjoyed it

[e30m3Mark]

aji621 said:

Shmee, I cant say I'm much of a viewer of your channel, but I did take an evening to sit and watch your recent driving your cars at Nurburgring's gp track.

wow, very very jealous.

Looked awesome to have them all there, loved how much enjoyment you seemed to get out of your cars, was cool to see from myself as im at almost the polar opposite of the car community to you. but i enjoyed it

+1

Also incredibly generous of you to let other people enjoy driving your cars.

Somewhat better than just parking them up and having a 'rev battle' in Richmond High St.

[peterattheboro]

Shmee, would love to see you stick a camera on Ben in the LT and let him loose on the Nurburgring. He's a talented driver.

But as you say, we'd all enjoy it but everyone else probably won't be that bothered.

[Benmac]

Shmee said:

mesuper said:

For those that are interested, Lando Norris Mclaren's F1 Reserve driver for this year (Also racing in GP2) has started up a series of daily vlogs. I raced with him in Karts and it was pretty obvious he was gonna be something special (although his dad being worth 300 million certainly helped).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dureNqj214o

Enjoyed his videos, I'm now subscribed!

Yeah, that was good. I await "5 things I hate about my MCL33" with baited breath "

[PantsFire]

Shmee said:

That seems pretty reasonable to be fair

[KHK]

Love that RENNtech door stripe on Tim's GTR. I would definitely keep it.

[Kev_Mk3]

jas xjr said:

But you have to put up with teenage humour I think Moog is involved in the music industry

Moog is very involved with car adverts and lots of high end projects. Martin is also in the same industry.

[Mr Whippy]

Swole said:

There’s this one channel, Living Life Fast. His USP is meeting owners of fast cars and then test driving them himself (with them in the passenger seat) to speeds which are obviously over the limit for the road.

Nothing has gone wrong yet, but all it take is one little mistake and it’s all over.

I hope they like insurers throwing the book at them, and plod putting them behind bars.

Driving fast, while interviewing, and worrying about production values and filming etc, can’t be safe.

I’d imagine proper insurance for this kind of thing requires so much overhead that these enterprises simply wouldn’t be viable.

I agree it’s just a matter of time. Sadly it’ll mean some poor buggers being in a bad accident.

This chap in particular seems like an accident waiting to happen, with his friend Joe Apollo or whatever his name is... doing what must have been about 110mph, on video, down a dual carriageway.
Muppets.

The plod and insurers need to take a good look at these ‘mainstream’ channels to make sure all is being done properly imo.

Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 9th April 12:11

[e30m3Mark]

Mr Whippy said:

Swole said:

There’s this one channel, Living Life Fast. His USP is meeting owners of fast cars and then test driving them himself (with them in the passenger seat) to speeds which are obviously over the limit for the road.

Nothing has gone wrong yet, but all it take is one little mistake and it’s all over.

I hope they like insurers throwing the book at them, and plod putting them behind bars.

Driving fast, while interviewing, and worrying about production values, can’t be safe.

I’d imagine proper insurance for this kind of thing requires so much overhead that these enterprises simply wouldn’t be viable.

I agree it’s just a matter of time. And good thing too imo as they’re getting worse and worse imo.

This chap in particular seems like an accident waiting to happen, with his friend Joe Apollo or whatever his name is... doing what must have been about 110mph, on video, down a dual carriageway.
Muppets.

Almost ranks alongside DMO'my daze in the nob factor.

[Beefmeister]

e30m3Mark said:

DMO'my daze

[TheAngryDog]

Shmee said:

TheAngryDog said:

That isn't the point though. Say I let you drive my car for one of your reviews, what insurances do you have? Are you driving my car with the third party only cover that your insurance company provides? Or have you bought a specific policy that covers you in all eventualities? Are you held liable if you blow up an engine etc?

Genuine questions, not a dig.

I know of people who have driven 7-figure hypercars on an uninsured basis for videos, however I'm a bit of a stickler for getting it all correct and have turned down opportunities if it's not covered.

Obviously any drive with a manufacturer, dealership or similar will be covered under a trade policy. Sometimes there are age limits and those need pre-approval if you're under whatever that is. At 29 I got turned down to drive a Nissan fleet GT-R as those were 30+! The European fleet was 25+ though so I flew over and did it there instead...

Driving cars from private fleets can vary, sometimes the owners have policies for any driver, sometimes over an age, sometimes it requires them to be sat beside you as well, or sometimes it's a no go and hence just a passenger ride for the content.

On top of that, I do have my own policy with an extension to drive any car comprehensively but of course there is an upper limit and I am very conscious of this and will avoid driving anything much over due to the personal exposure. Before driving any vehicle I always discuss who's policy we are running on and what the conditions/circumstances are surrounding it.

I figured you'd have some kind of cover Tim, you come across a lot more professional than a lot of the YT'ers out there (not all need to be, but you play a different level of the game to them).

To drive 7 figure cars without the right insurance is madness. Utter madness. Especially when viewing how some of these are driven.

There is no way on earth I would let any YT'er drive my car on my policy. That is like giving them free range to do what they want. It is driven on their insurance or not at all.

WRT your other cover, I assume your insurance company are aware that you could be driving it for media reasons, such as filming a privately owned car etc? Do you have any agreement in place for mechanical failure? I am aware that components could fail at any time, but if the engine fails, who would you feel was responsible?

jayemm89 said:

At present I drive cars using TPO cover from my own policy. I have a gentleman's agreement that should *I* damage a vehicle, I will sort it. So every time I take somebody else's car out for a review I do so knowing that if it goes wrong I may have to sell my own pride and joy to cover the repair. Fortunately this has not been necessary in my time thus far. I like to think I treat people's cars with respect and this is why I am very, very fortunate to have people offer me their cars to drive out of the blue.

Obviously as Tim mentions when driving dealer or press cars those are fully insured. I know a number of younger YTers who do fall foul of the age limits of press cars. Quite ludicrous in some instances when the people in question own much quicker cars than the ones they're looking to drive.

I am looking to get a proper insurance policy because I'd like to lock the gate before the horse bolts, however it is tricky. A trade policy isn't actually relevant for what I do, and day insurance policies don't cover modified cars either (which is 99% of the cars I drive). Plus, the reality is as a fledgling YouTuber I just can't justify the cost of these policies right now. I'm currently on the hunt for an insurer to partner with but that may take some time.

In the meantime I'm just doing my best not to be "that guy" who ruins it for everyone. I do it because I enjoy it, as I'm sure many do. I like to think people enjoy watching videos and I don't want to be the one who messes everything up by getting in a big accident when showing off. It would only take one angry minister to decide they wanted to make life hard for YTers to ruin it for everyone.

Thanks for your honesty. Does your agreement cover mechanical failure as well?

Prevention is better than the cure, so having a correct policy in place soon to me would be a good move. To many others it won't be an issue, but I have greater faith in those who are fully covered and it shows you treat the game seriously, rather than just playing it on training level.

Of the video's I have seen that you have uploaded, you do not seem to be reckless, which helps with the confidence of people letting you drive their cars. There are however those who just want to see someone rag their car and put it on the internet for all to see, and do not care about any potential consequences.

Kahnufeeleet said:

e30m3Mark said:

playalistic said:

easytiger123 said:

jas xjr said:

TheAngryDog said:

Seems a new crop of YT'ers are posting driving vids. I really hope that they have adequate insurance for it.

Mad ting bro

One Wheel Wavey...and he's out of prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rtyWhQqf3g

Jesus H Christ. People actually watch this ste?

It's like ''People just do nothing'' but with real life knob heads instead of actors.

Jailing people for reckless driving is nothing new though.

Big up da mandem, BRRRRRRAP BRRRRRRRRRRRAP BRRRRRRRRAP! Bruv, was happenin?

My God! That is horrific. They should all be sent to prison just for the way they speak! Once I saw dmo was there it just completed the circle of hell.

e30m3Mark said:

Mr Whippy said:

Swole said:

There’s this one channel, Living Life Fast. His USP is meeting owners of fast cars and then test driving them himself (with them in the passenger seat) to speeds which are obviously over the limit for the road.

Nothing has gone wrong yet, but all it take is one little mistake and it’s all over.

I hope they like insurers throwing the book at them, and plod putting them behind bars.

Driving fast, while interviewing, and worrying about production values, can’t be safe.

I’d imagine proper insurance for this kind of thing requires so much overhead that these enterprises simply wouldn’t be viable.

I agree it’s just a matter of time. And good thing too imo as they’re getting worse and worse imo.

This chap in particular seems like an accident waiting to happen, with his friend Joe Apollo or whatever his name is... doing what must have been about 110mph, on video, down a dual carriageway.
Muppets.

Almost ranks alongside DMO'my daze in the nob factor.

For every good YT'er, there are many, many poor ones. Like dmo and llf. The problem is that people aspire to be like them. They want to be slebs down their local cruise because of x y z. It is all terribly narcissistic. At some point someone is going to come a cropper for imitating what a YT'er does (if it hasn't already happened) and that could cause some issues for the platform and how it is policed, IMO.

[e30m3Mark]

TheAngryDog said:

For every good YT'er, there are many, many poor ones. Like dmo and llf. The problem is that people aspire to be like them. They want to be slebs down their local cruise because of x y z. It is all terribly narcissistic. At some point someone is going to come a cropper for imitating what a YT'er does (if it hasn't already happened) and that could cause some issues for the platform and how it is policed, IMO.

There's a huge element of that in the wee willy wavy videos and the contempt they hold for the Police, sorry da Feds bruv. Some of the kids in the background don't look to be more that 7 or 8 so I assume there is some terrific parenting going on there, along with a whole new generation who think laws and general decency doesn't apply to them. DMO'my daze appears to think he's some sort of gangster, who aspires to being on MTV cribs, while driving around London like a cock and wining when he gets pulled over. Odds are it'll go wrong for him/them eventually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfXY73gzBo

[TheAngryDog]

e30m3Mark said:

TheAngryDog said:

For every good YT'er, there are many, many poor ones. Like dmo and llf. The problem is that people aspire to be like them. They want to be slebs down their local cruise because of x y z. It is all terribly narcissistic. At some point someone is going to come a cropper for imitating what a YT'er does (if it hasn't already happened) and that could cause some issues for the platform and how it is policed, IMO.

There's a huge element of that in the wee willy wavy videos and the contempt they hold for the Police, sorry da Feds bruv. Some of the kids in the background don't look to be more that 7 or 8 so I assume there is some terrific parenting going on there, along with a whole new generation who think laws and general decency doesn't apply to them. DMO'my daze appears to think he's some sort of gangster, who aspires to being on MTV cribs, while driving around London like a cock and wining when he gets pulled over. Odds are it'll go wrong for him/them eventually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfXY73gzBo

Top parenting. It is incredibly sad and pathetic to aspire to be like this.

[Mr Whippy]

I’m pretty sure any ‘dealer’ insurance would be void if doing road testing, performance testing, filming, commercial reviews (YT money making) etc.

I had trader insurance for a while and it was drum tight.
You were covered for trade needs, not being a dick.

Same with ‘many car’ policies like someone above said they had?

Again how many are covering commercial purposes for media?

My AXA chap wanted a full and honest description of my business to give me a quote and cover.
I didn’t (couldn’t) just wing it and use a normal sdp&c policy with frills on.

I’d imagine a proper insurance to cover this use will need this use specifically mentioned in the policy.

[anonymous-user]

Some positive news:
Chris Fix has reached 3M subscribers with just 300 videos. What do you guys think about that?

[TheAngryDog]

Mr Whippy said:

I’m pretty sure any ‘dealer’ insurance would be void if doing road testing, performance testing, filming, commercial reviews (YT money making) etc.

I had trader insurance for a while and it was drum tight.
You were covered for trade needs, not being a dick.

Same with ‘many car’ policies like someone above said they had?

Again how many are covering commercial purposes for media?

My AXA chap wanted a full and honest description of my business to give me a quote and cover.
I didn’t (couldn’t) just wing it and use a normal sdp&c policy with frills on.

I’d imagine a proper insurance to cover this use will need this use specifically mentioned in the policy.

I know that proper trader insurance isn't cheap - I cannot see insurance to cover YT'ers for filming other peoples cars to be cheap either.

One YT'er I sometimes watch claims to have insurance. I aren't so sure...

[jon-]

Bernie Sanders said:

Some positive news:
Chris Fix has reached 3M subscribers with just 300 videos. What do you guys think about that?

Holy smoke that's amazing! Really interesting too, as you'd think "fixing how-to videos" would be distressed views, ie something you only need to do once at that moment as you have a specific problem, so you wouldn't subscribe.

I have an incredible hard time getting people to sub to Tyre Reviews youtube for that very reason, tyres are those sort of things you only think about when you need to replace them, why would you subscribe to a channel dedicated to them! At least that's what I tell myself, the reality is that I'm probably incredibly boring

[downhillmalins]

jon- said:

Holy smoke that's amazing! Really interesting too, as you'd think "fixing how-to videos" would be distressed views, ie something you only need to do once at that moment as you have a specific problem, so you wouldn't subscribe.

I have an incredible hard time getting people to sub to Tyre Reviews youtube for that very reason, tyres are those sort of things you only think about when you need to replace them, why would you subscribe to a channel dedicated to them! At least that's what I tell myself, the reality is that I'm probably incredibly boring

Stick to it! You've got a good niche there that you are doing well with. Was looking for a channel like yours years ago and was amazed that there weren't any good detailed vids for tyres. The tyre geek in me much appreciates your work!

Crank out a few more killer 500k + view vids and the subs will roll in

[roystinho]

jon- said:

Holy smoke that's amazing! Really interesting too, as you'd think "fixing how-to videos" would be distressed views, ie something you only need to do once at that moment as you have a specific problem, so you wouldn't subscribe.

I have an incredible hard time getting people to sub to Tyre Reviews youtube for that very reason, tyres are those sort of things you only think about when you need to replace them, why would you subscribe to a channel dedicated to them! At least that's what I tell myself, the reality is that I'm probably incredibly boring

I watch your videos but never realised the huge difference, that’s ridiculous!!!

Opens the question, is it better having more views than subs, or more subs than views? My channel is the former like yourself (though on a smaller scale), more views than subs. My thoughts are it’s good the videos reach a wider audience, and there’s a good chance that all your subs probably watch and ‘buy in’ to your channel, rather than subbing but not watching (I don’t get that to be honest, I’d just unsubscribe if I didn’t like the content)

[jon-]

What I'm learning is youtube is a rule to itself. I've produced some really nice content (for me) like the race at Knockhill vs Gordon Shedden and it's pretty much flopped on 60k views and very little uplift in sub numbers, yet the video from two weeks ago which was just 16 minutes of me talking is flying now at 215k and has added more subs than any other video.

Guess who will be making more lists this year