RE: Bugatti Chiron confirmed for Geneva

[Zod]

Matt Bird said:

Ryvita said:

Chiron... chiron... Sounds familiar (but I'd never heard of the race driver.)

Chiron... Charon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_(mythology)

"The ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceased across the rivers Styx"

Sounds about right at 500kmph.

Now that's a good name

Charon was a bit of a steady, calm paddler though. Speed was never his thing.

[AM7]

je777 said:

Pointless bragging rights for the stupidly rich and stupidly stupid.
If you were actually interested in driving, you'd have something much lighter, etc. - i.e. the Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren, for example.
And it'll be the most powerful, exclusive, etc., etc. right up until they produce the 'improved' versions.
Veyrons are now relatively cheap (in comparison to other supercars, which are worth more than they cost new), because once they're no longer the 'fastest, most... blah blah' the attraction is gone.
Veyron: not that good to drive, look at, listen to...

What a superb summary, I agree with all the points you make! I see it as just a straight line power house for the people who value other peoples' opinions over actual driving pleasure, which defeats the point of the car surely.. If I did happen to be in the market for a car with a pretty ridiculous top speed I'd be straight over to Koenigsegg, people seem to forget the CCXR range could manage over 250mph, I personally don't see why the Veyron had such a following...

[WCZ]

je777 said:

Veyron: not that good to drive, look at, listen to...

good to drive, look good in person and as an ultimate GT in a class of its own.

looking forward to seeing what Bugatti can do with the successor to the legendary veyron

[WCZ]

AM7 said:

What a superb summary, I agree with all the points you make! I see it as just a straight line power house for the people who value other peoples' opinions over actual driving pleasure, which defeats the point of the car surely.. If I did happen to be in the market for a car with a pretty ridiculous top speed I'd be straight over to Koenigsegg, people seem to forget the CCXR range could manage over 250mph, I personally don't see why the Veyron had such a following...

it's a GT car, not a track car.

[threespires]

je777 said:

Pointless bragging rights for the stupidly rich and stupidly stupid.
If you were actually interested in driving, you'd have something much lighter, etc. - i.e. the Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren, for example.
And it'll be the most powerful, exclusive, etc., etc. right up until they produce the 'improved' versions.
Veyrons are now relatively cheap (in comparison to other supercars, which are worth more than they cost new), because once they're no longer the 'fastest, most... blah blah' the attraction is gone.
Veyron: not that good to drive, look at, listen to...

A very childish statement for your 38th post on P/H. Troll?

1) If you were actually interested in driving, you'd have something much lighter
Didn't Jensen Button once own one?


2) Assuming a price of £2 million, that's just one month's wages to somebody like Lewis Hamilton.

Is your car worth more or less than your monthly wage?

Edited by threespires on Monday 30th November 13:48

[MikeGalos]

Of course it will also have to compete with the SSC cars as well as Hennessey. Remember that it was the SSC Ultimate Aero that broke the Veyron's top speed production car record and forced the production of the Veyron SS (which was then followed by the Bugatti/Hennessey battles).

SSC is still working on their new Tuatara http://www.sscnorthamerica.com/tuatara.php and Hennessey is working on the Venom F5 http://www.venomgt.com/venom-f5/ so don't assume a two-way race.

[Turbobanana]

If the theme of naming hypercars after racing drivers is to continue, I'll have time to save up for the Bugatti "Hamilton". Then I can look forward to a blindingly quick car (if nurtured properly from a young age and well-funded) that only works under perfect conditions and doesn't get on with any other cars in your garage.

Or maybe a Bugatti "Mansell", with a monotonous engine note and dubious radiator grille ornamentation.

Or a Bugatti "Maldonado", with extra crash protection.

[E65Ross]

WCZ said:

AM7 said:

What a superb summary, I agree with all the points you make! I see it as just a straight line power house for the people who value other peoples' opinions over actual driving pleasure, which defeats the point of the car surely.. If I did happen to be in the market for a car with a pretty ridiculous top speed I'd be straight over to Koenigsegg, people seem to forget the CCXR range could manage over 250mph, I personally don't see why the Veyron had such a following...

it's a GT car, not a track car.

This

[sc0tt]

je777 said:

Pointless bragging rights for the stupidly rich and stupidly stupid.
If you were actually interested in driving, you'd have something much lighter, etc. - i.e. the Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren, for example.
And it'll be the most powerful, exclusive, etc., etc. right up until they produce the 'improved' versions.
Veyrons are now relatively cheap (in comparison to other supercars, which are worth more than they cost new), because once they're no longer the 'fastest, most... blah blah' the attraction is gone.
Veyron: not that good to drive, look at, listen to...

Really?

2 for sale on PH. 2007 Model still for a million pounds.

[otolith]

Yes, I think comparisons with cars like the P1/918/LaF miss the point, even more so comparisons to the Hennessey. The Veyron was not trying to do the same thing at all.

[E65Ross]

otolith said:

Yes, I think comparisons with cars like the P1/918/LaF miss the point, even more so comparisons to the Hennessey. The Veyron was not trying to do the same thing at all.

It's the same with people moaning the P1 doesn't go as fast as a McLaren F1.

[Jimmy Recard]

Already the 'Veyron is too heavy for people who like driving' comments have been made.

Unless you only like driving on roads which can't support vehicles of that weight, the weight is not relevant.

[treetops]

How many will be destined for the uk?

[EricE]

I believe some people in this topic miss the "point" of a car like this.

https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/6656160...
https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/5521631...
https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/6588263...
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12705343

and for good measure:

https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/6642861... (not safe for work)

THIS is the target audience. Not technology enthusiasts. Not design connoisseurs who stare at their car in the garage. Not people who take their car to race tracks all around the world. Those would prefer a 918, P1 or LaF.

With a car like this, the cost isn't a downside, it's its best feature.

edit: there's more! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiojMkJ-f0I "The Barack Obama of Bugatti" — you couldn't make this up

Edited by EricE on Monday 30th November 15:10

[SPMX5]

AM7 said:

je777 said:

Pointless bragging rights for the stupidly rich and stupidly stupid.
If you were actually interested in driving, you'd have something much lighter, etc. - i.e. the Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren, for example.
And it'll be the most powerful, exclusive, etc., etc. right up until they produce the 'improved' versions.
Veyrons are now relatively cheap (in comparison to other supercars, which are worth more than they cost new), because once they're no longer the 'fastest, most... blah blah' the attraction is gone.
Veyron: not that good to drive, look at, listen to...

What a superb summary, I agree with all the points you make! I see it as just a straight line power house for the people who value other peoples' opinions over actual driving pleasure, which defeats the point of the car surely.. If I did happen to be in the market for a car with a pretty ridiculous top speed I'd be straight over to Koenigsegg, people seem to forget the CCXR range could manage over 250mph, I personally don't see why the Veyron had such a following...

Often for these customers it's not a case of one or the other, so they don't need to compare based on 1 attribute.

The idea of the veyron was about the mad top speed but retaining all the luxury and comfort inside. In fact one of the things the test drivers do when they take prospective customers out is taking their hands off the wheel and performing a high speed emergency stop to show how stable and controlled the car is. so it's never going to be full of feedback, but then that's not the only measure of a car.

[monamimate]

threespires said:

A very childish statement for your 38th post on P/H. Troll?

Edited by threespires on Monday 30th November 13:48

For info, how many posts must one have before one is allowed to post childish stuff?

I don't necessarily agree with his post, but who are we to define what he may or may not post on his 38th post? They're just opinions and this is a forum for opinions.

Troll?

Edited by monamimate on Monday 30th November 14:23

[pSynrg]

Grats to VAG & Bugatti for achieving the seemingly impossible by making 250mph about as desirable and significant as a Hermes scarf.

Not even in my Euro-millions fantasies...

About as excited for the Chiron as I am for Audi's or indeed Aston's next designs.

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

Greg66 said:

Blackpuddin said:

Autocar is quoting 1500PS for the new engine, with an 1100lb/ft torque cap for transmission reliability.

300mph top speed?

Where?

Probably a private drag strip in the Middle East. That sort of speed would make an autobahn seem like a tight twisty country lane. And that's before you remove the traffic, most of which would be going about 200 mph slower.

Of course, that's not to say that in the hands of a skilled driver it couldn't be made to hit 300 on the drag strip between Sloane Square and Knightsbridge.

[Zod]

Greg66 said:

Zod said:

Greg66 said:

Blackpuddin said:

Autocar is quoting 1500PS for the new engine, with an 1100lb/ft torque cap for transmission reliability.

300mph top speed?

Where?

Probably a private drag strip in the Middle East. That sort of speed would make an autobahn seem like a tight twisty country lane. And that's before you remove the traffic, most of which would be going about 200 mph slower.

Of course, that's not to say that in the hands of a skilled driver it couldn't be made to hit 300 on the drag strip between Sloane Square and Knightsbridge.

It would need to be a very, very long strip!

[keith2.2]

The anti-veyron sentiment I always find slightly odd. It's not great looking, but that's all personal taste (actually I think in the flesh they look magnificent, but that's besides the point).

The image has been 'ruined a bit' by the ownership profile - but just because umpteen super-rich have them as a status symbol doesn't make the Veyron any less of a technological marvel. Of course there are plenty of arguments to be made / had about the REQUIREMENT for the amount of engineering that has gone into it - but lets face it; that car is a staggering achievement and I'd buy one for that reason alone - were I ever in the position to.

Would I buy it instead of something else of it's ilk? Not sure, I'll post if I ever find myself in the position of having to decide. I'd probably be "make do" with an aventador..

Yes, tech has moved on. The comment about Bugatti trying to prove themselves wrong - they already have been. The ante has been upped. ALL hypercars are marvels of their day - the zeneth of what a car can be - until the next one.

Fine, there are few places in the world that a 300mph top speed could ever be reached off road, nevermind on one - so yes in a sense it's a pointless metric - but if it's got the power to push itself through a christmas cake at that rate - IMAGINE what 30-100 is going to feel like.

I can't wait for the next one - a continent crushing GT car for people who will probably take their jet anyway lol.