BMW's in floods, WARNING!!!
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HannsG said:
Remember a flash flood on the M6 many moons ago and my 2003 reg 3.0i Z4 was fine.
It was surreal, it seemed the water could not drain fast enough and lapped the bonnet.
I currently have a brand new M140i and should I be concerned about this?
The air intake on a Z4 (E85 - so your old one) is around headlight height.It was surreal, it seemed the water could not drain fast enough and lapped the bonnet.
I currently have a brand new M140i and should I be concerned about this?
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HannsG said:
I currently have a brand new M140i and should I be concerned about this?
I wouldn't be. The M140i intake is fairly high up IIRC, around parallel with the middle of the kidney grille (left headlight IIRC)When we had the floods a couple of months back I forded a couple of roads- probably up to the top of the front air dam- without issue.
DogLog said:
jamoor said:
Now that's a proper bow wave.My brother was giving me a hand in his Volvo Countryman, or some sort of Volvo that suggested it had some sort of country pedigree. I drove carefully in my BMW through deep puddles but when I checked in my mirror he seemed to be spraying water everywhere. I don't know if he was trying to keep up, trying to prove Volvos are better in deep water, oblivious or just not being cautious enough. Next day his car broke down with numerous issues. Mine was fine. I'm generally more concerned by the high pressures that can be caused at even quite low speed that could cause water to penetrate where it shouldn't so even an inch or two I would almost slow down to the same speed as deeper water.
Take watches as an example. It's recommended to have a watch that is waterproof to 200m (around 300PSI) for watersports and cars can go a lot faster than you ever will doing watersports.
Take watches as an example. It's recommended to have a watch that is waterproof to 200m (around 300PSI) for watersports and cars can go a lot faster than you ever will doing watersports.
The weather seem to be causing micro bursts and flash flooding more often now and people are getting caught out. I was on the M66 on Thursday evening, dry as a bone heatwave weather, 1.5 miles later I was on the M60 in a torrential downpour and it was flooded, 1st gear crawling. I exited at junction 17 staying to the right where it is shallower, BMW behind to the left had water up to the headlights - though it kept going. The UK needs a change of infrastructure, like storm drains.
THe design of some new motorways doesn't help either. I commute along the M6 and in heavy rain, the new smart section between J3A and just before J2 is appalling for spray, like it's not draining off at all. As soon as you hit the "old" road surface (just before J2 if travelling eastbound) it's almost like the spray has been switched off.
I was peaking with a guy who loos after drainage systems and he is saying it is caused by a few factors.
Rain is no heavier than it was before but we have built over a lot of land. Front gardens now paved over and flood plains built on so surface water goes into the system.
The drains are not maintained. Walk on any street and see how many drain covers are clear.
And finally the drains now have a lot more fat bergs in them which stop water going out quicker than it can come in.
We need to stop water companies and councils penny pinching and maintain what we have.
As for car designs, they are awful for where they put air intakes, it is simply not acceptable to have them low down ever
Rain is no heavier than it was before but we have built over a lot of land. Front gardens now paved over and flood plains built on so surface water goes into the system.
The drains are not maintained. Walk on any street and see how many drain covers are clear.
And finally the drains now have a lot more fat bergs in them which stop water going out quicker than it can come in.
We need to stop water companies and councils penny pinching and maintain what we have.
As for car designs, they are awful for where they put air intakes, it is simply not acceptable to have them low down ever
av185 said:
Folks won't pay for better infrastructure based on low frequency and low possibility of storm events despite them becoming more frequent of late.
Or privatisation has ensure that billions of pounds have moved into investors pockets and not into the upkeep of sewerage systems. It's just not the right industry to be in private hands because there is no competition. If Severn Trent are doing a terrible job you can't buy your water from Scottish Water instead. It was a way of the government getting a lot of money into the Treasury at once, but to suggest it has "improved" things is nonsense. Most of that water in London will have been mixed with raw sewage and discharged straight into the Thames. Disgusting for the people who live near it, and disgraceful environmental damage.
sim72 said:
THe design of some new motorways doesn't help either. I commute along the M6 and in heavy rain, the new smart section between J3A and just before J2 is appalling for spray, like it's not draining off at all. As soon as you hit the "old" road surface (just before J2 if travelling eastbound) it's almost like the spray has been switched off.
^^^ this 100%... drastically increases the risk of hydroplaning at motorway speed. A prof of some uni was on the radio (bbc London with Eddie Nestor) and was creaming himself about how it was all global warming - going on and on about all sorts of crap. Never had rain like this until last 40 years; heat waves are now happening so frequently etc
No objective thought whatsoever.
So that’s a far easier way of dealing with the problem for all LAs and anyone else: it’s global warming wat did it, not us gov
No objective thought whatsoever.
So that’s a far easier way of dealing with the problem for all LAs and anyone else: it’s global warming wat did it, not us gov
CoolHands said:
A prof of some uni was on the radio (bbc London with Eddie Nestor) and was creaming himself about how it was all global warming - going on and on about all sorts of crap. Never had rain like this until last 40 years; heat waves are now happening so frequently etc
No objective thought whatsoever.
So that’s a far easier way of dealing with the problem for all LAs and anyone else: it’s global warming wat did it, not us gov
It does seem like folk-memory is about 5 years now. No objective thought whatsoever.
So that’s a far easier way of dealing with the problem for all LAs and anyone else: it’s global warming wat did it, not us gov
Frozen sea at Herne Bay 1963.
Drought of 1976
swisstoni said:
Imagine if that happened now. There would be no end of end-of-the-world is nigh global warmists poppycock!They have no concept of time frames, that a hundred years doesn’t even register in terms of the age of the planet
CoolHands said:
swisstoni said:
Imagine if that happened now. There would be no end of end-of-the-world is nigh global warmists poppycock!They have no concept of time frames, that a hundred years doesn’t even register in terms of the age of the planet
oliverjp said:
Take watches as an example. It's recommended to have a watch that is waterproof to 200m (around 300PSI) for watersports and cars can go a lot faster than you ever will doing watersports.
At 30m (which is the limit for normal diving) the pressure is 3x atmospheric, and then you wave your arms about the pressure ramps up rapidly. Driving through a puddle isn't really comparable.ETA not to mention that an engine has a massive, high vacuum tube into the important inner workings.
Edited by Bill on Tuesday 27th July 21:07
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