RE: New Aston Martin V12 teased
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Sounds very similar to the existing 6.0 V12s to me.
I thought they were dumping V12s all together so this is a very nice surprise.
As for the 'emotional control unit', the name might be a bit much but it was a beautiful key and very nice (and original) way to start a car. I think it's just copying Clarkson to dismiss the whole thing as stupid. Which is itself stupid!
I thought they were dumping V12s all together so this is a very nice surprise.
As for the 'emotional control unit', the name might be a bit much but it was a beautiful key and very nice (and original) way to start a car. I think it's just copying Clarkson to dismiss the whole thing as stupid. Which is itself stupid!
Article said:
Given the old 5.9-litre V12 is at 573hp in the V12 Vantage S, is it unreasonable to expect 600hp?
I think it's unreasonable / commercially questionable to expect anything less than 650bhp and, ideally, the BHP figure should start with a '7' if they want to compete with the Big Boys.I hate the horsepower race, but if McLaren can get 666bhp out of a 3.8 V8 Twin Turbo, Aston must be looking north of this. The DB11 will inevitably get compared to Ferrari's V12 GT du jour and Aston will find it hard to trade off of brand / design / Britishness if the numbers don't stack-up (which it won't even if that's still the F12 by the time the DB11 comes out).
AdamV8V said:
Article said:
Given the old 5.9-litre V12 is at 573hp in the V12 Vantage S, is it unreasonable to expect 600hp?
I think it's unreasonable / commercially questionable to expect anything less than 650bhp and, ideally, the BHP figure should start with a '7' if they want to compete with the Big Boys.I hate the horsepower race, but if McLaren can get 666bhp out of a 3.8 V8 Twin Turbo, Aston must be looking north of this. The DB11 will inevitably get compared to Ferrari's V12 GT du jour and Aston will find it hard to trade off of brand / design / Britishness if the numbers don't stack-up (which it won't even if that's still the F12 by the time the DB11 comes out).
jason61c said:
Matt Bird said:
Hi all,
Just to say we've had a call from Aston to say the engine share absolutely nothing with any Mercedes engine. It is an all-new unit entirely of Aston Martin design. Thought you might like to know...
Matt
Of course they'd say that. Just to say we've had a call from Aston to say the engine share absolutely nothing with any Mercedes engine. It is an all-new unit entirely of Aston Martin design. Thought you might like to know...
Matt
Pistonheads - mindless speculation and prejudice matters.
MB 1 said:
Forget the engine when it comes to the Merc tie in.... What they desperately need is a decent dual clutch gearbox. Having an automated manual in this day and age in a 100k plus sports car doesn't cut it anymore.
Maybe they can use merc's new 9 speed auto. Rated to 1000Nm and super smooth, quick changes. Perhaps not as sharp as a well configured dual clutch but for a tourer...I reckon better suited.smilo996 said:
No matter how much they try and spin it, AML is now a panel beater for AMG. "Aston Martin has developed a brand new 5.2-litre V12 twin-turbo engine". Really?
Yes, really. Panel beater for AMG? Please share with all of us on the forum how you know all this to be true. Don't worry, we'll all wait...Otispunkmeyer said:
MB 1 said:
Forget the engine when it comes to the Merc tie in.... What they desperately need is a decent dual clutch gearbox. Having an automated manual in this day and age in a 100k plus sports car doesn't cut it anymore.
Maybe they can use merc's new 9 speed auto. Rated to 1000Nm and super smooth, quick changes. Perhaps not as sharp as a well configured dual clutch but for a tourer...I reckon better suited.Sounds pretty generic to me? Seems AMG, ASTON, Jag, et all all make deep bellowing v engines that sound similar and have contrived crackley bits added in..
Keeps making me google mclaren f1, Jaguar xjr15, Matra etc to remind myself what a really nice engine with real timbre sounds like. Appreciate some things are too loud or race bred to be applicable to the road but surely someone can build something with true soul not this "passion, power, ponce" or what ever they market it as. Don't get me wrong they sound wonderful vs the majority of everything else you can buy new and I'd love one but there's just nothing special or different enough to make them truly special.
Recent cars from memory that did - Carrera GT, LFA, Tuscan, ( with cans ), Zonda, ( yes I know where the engine came from )..and probably others I can't remember. I hope the new TVR, ( if it happens ), can make the yank V8 sound special, and would love to see/hear the new Mazda rotory concept bring a bit of 787b to a fast road car!
Keeps making me google mclaren f1, Jaguar xjr15, Matra etc to remind myself what a really nice engine with real timbre sounds like. Appreciate some things are too loud or race bred to be applicable to the road but surely someone can build something with true soul not this "passion, power, ponce" or what ever they market it as. Don't get me wrong they sound wonderful vs the majority of everything else you can buy new and I'd love one but there's just nothing special or different enough to make them truly special.
Recent cars from memory that did - Carrera GT, LFA, Tuscan, ( with cans ), Zonda, ( yes I know where the engine came from )..and probably others I can't remember. I hope the new TVR, ( if it happens ), can make the yank V8 sound special, and would love to see/hear the new Mazda rotory concept bring a bit of 787b to a fast road car!
Edmundo2 said:
Sounds pretty generic to me? Seems AMG, ASTON, Jag, et all all make deep bellowing v engines that sound similar and have contrived crackley bits added in..
Keeps making me google mclaren f1, Jaguar xjr15, Matra etc to remind myself what a really nice engine with real timbre sounds like. Appreciate some things are too loud or race bred to be applicable to the road but surely someone can build something with true soul not this "passion, power, ponce" or what ever they market it as. Don't get me wrong they sound wonderful vs the majority of everything else you can buy new and I'd love one but there's just nothing special or different enough to make them truly special.
Recent cars from memory that did - Carrera GT, LFA, Tuscan, ( with cans ), Zonda, ( yes I know where the engine came from )..and probably others I can't remember. I hope the new TVR, ( if it happens ), can make the yank V8 sound special, and would love to see/hear the new Mazda rotory concept bring a bit of 787b to a fast road car!
Recent? They're all cars from a decade ago. They're wonderful, but they're not the way ahead. I love my large n/a engines and will hold onto my current one, but I'm not claiming that they are anything but beautiful anachronisms.Keeps making me google mclaren f1, Jaguar xjr15, Matra etc to remind myself what a really nice engine with real timbre sounds like. Appreciate some things are too loud or race bred to be applicable to the road but surely someone can build something with true soul not this "passion, power, ponce" or what ever they market it as. Don't get me wrong they sound wonderful vs the majority of everything else you can buy new and I'd love one but there's just nothing special or different enough to make them truly special.
Recent cars from memory that did - Carrera GT, LFA, Tuscan, ( with cans ), Zonda, ( yes I know where the engine came from )..and probably others I can't remember. I hope the new TVR, ( if it happens ), can make the yank V8 sound special, and would love to see/hear the new Mazda rotory concept bring a bit of 787b to a fast road car!
Edmundo2 said:
Sounds pretty generic to me? Seems AMG, ASTON, Jag, et all all make deep bellowing v engines that sound similar and have contrived crackley bits added in..
Keeps making me google mclaren f1, Jaguar xjr15, Matra etc to remind myself what a really nice engine with real timbre sounds like. Appreciate some things are too loud or race bred to be applicable to the road but surely someone can build something with true soul not this "passion, power, ponce" or what ever they market it as. Don't get me wrong they sound wonderful vs the majority of everything else you can buy new and I'd love one but there's just nothing special or different enough to make them truly special.
Recent cars from memory that did - Carrera GT, LFA, Tuscan, ( with cans ), Zonda, ( yes I know where the engine came from )..and probably others I can't remember. I hope the new TVR, ( if it happens ), can make the yank V8 sound special, and would love to see/hear the new Mazda rotory concept bring a bit of 787b to a fast road car!
And surely that is the whole point - current turbo-boll*x garbage is what it says on the tin (if the manufacturers were being vaguely honest for once)!Keeps making me google mclaren f1, Jaguar xjr15, Matra etc to remind myself what a really nice engine with real timbre sounds like. Appreciate some things are too loud or race bred to be applicable to the road but surely someone can build something with true soul not this "passion, power, ponce" or what ever they market it as. Don't get me wrong they sound wonderful vs the majority of everything else you can buy new and I'd love one but there's just nothing special or different enough to make them truly special.
Recent cars from memory that did - Carrera GT, LFA, Tuscan, ( with cans ), Zonda, ( yes I know where the engine came from )..and probably others I can't remember. I hope the new TVR, ( if it happens ), can make the yank V8 sound special, and would love to see/hear the new Mazda rotory concept bring a bit of 787b to a fast road car!
I think I need to look for a TVR!
As for any Aston Martin, well they all look pretty much the same, have a version of the 2 x Mondeo V6 engine but get product placement in a certain series of films to lift their profile beyond what is possibly justified??! Any owners please put us right, assuming we have missed something!
Mr Tidy said:
And surely that is the whole point - current turbo-boll*x garbage is what it says on the tin (if the manufacturers were being vaguely honest for once)!
I think I need to look for a TVR!
As for any Aston Martin, well they all look pretty much the same, have a version of the 2 x Mondeo V6 engine but get product placement in a certain series of films to lift their profile beyond what is possibly justified??! Any owners please put us right, assuming we have missed something!
I'm an owner, so I'll put you right. Astons are currently the best looking cars on sale in my and many other people's opinion, and they look less like each other than current Benzes, BMWs, Audis, etc.I think I need to look for a TVR!
As for any Aston Martin, well they all look pretty much the same, have a version of the 2 x Mondeo V6 engine but get product placement in a certain series of films to lift their profile beyond what is possibly justified??! Any owners please put us right, assuming we have missed something!
The V12s are so much more than two V6s stuck together -- there are some similarities, but they are absolutely their own engines. Oh, and the V8 has nothing to do with the V6 (and shares nothing with the Jag V8 either). Astons are wonderful -- great to drive, beautifully made, stunning to look at, and they are among the few cars to still offer real character. They are truly in a different league from Benz, BMW, Jaguar, Porsche, etc. If you don't get it, that's fine -- they're not for everyone -- but they are very special things and I'm privileged to be an owner.
As one of those owners then i disagree. Ignoring the Ford V6 jibe its not all about the bits that make the car up. The whole ownership and the way it makes you feel is what it is owning a Aston.
Ive had 911's, Subaru Impreza's etc but nothing is like looking out at V8 Vantage as you finish your morning coffee. Admittedly that sounds like starry eyed guff but its true.
Even the way you are treated by the dealers is better and 100% better than Porsche. Yes it has Ford bits in it....the headlight switch, stalks etc but doesnt detract from driving it.
On the new Astons, well it has to be done. Aston always has been just above water in the profit stakes and needed someone like AMG to carry on. So what it uses a Secret Agent to sell more cars, wouldnt make me buy one but when you sell such small numbers (a lot lot less than Ferrari) then every sale is a sale.
Bolt a turbo on and you will lose that sound, just look at F1 and now we are used to it. Im keeping my V8 4.7 manual for a fair bit. Hopefully ill keep looking out of the window (when im actually in the UK to drive it!) and keep wanting to grab the silly glass key!
any excuse to put a pic up!
Ive had 911's, Subaru Impreza's etc but nothing is like looking out at V8 Vantage as you finish your morning coffee. Admittedly that sounds like starry eyed guff but its true.
Even the way you are treated by the dealers is better and 100% better than Porsche. Yes it has Ford bits in it....the headlight switch, stalks etc but doesnt detract from driving it.
On the new Astons, well it has to be done. Aston always has been just above water in the profit stakes and needed someone like AMG to carry on. So what it uses a Secret Agent to sell more cars, wouldnt make me buy one but when you sell such small numbers (a lot lot less than Ferrari) then every sale is a sale.
Bolt a turbo on and you will lose that sound, just look at F1 and now we are used to it. Im keeping my V8 4.7 manual for a fair bit. Hopefully ill keep looking out of the window (when im actually in the UK to drive it!) and keep wanting to grab the silly glass key!
any excuse to put a pic up!
Edited by petop on Tuesday 12th January 05:03
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