RE: Ford Focus RS: Review
Discussion
Legacywr said:
How long before somone 'stuffs' it in Drift Mode? 
I'd rather try drifting this on the open road than a rear wheel drive car to be honest - at least it has the benefit of AWD so it might take some un-sticking from the road, if someone did bin it at speed they would have to be driving like a colossal a
hole IMO.Basically, about a month tops.
Axionknight said:
Legacywr said:
How long before somone 'stuffs' it in Drift Mode?
I'd rather try drifting this on the open road than a rear wheel drive car to be honest - at least it has the benefit of AWD so it might take some un-sticking from the road, if someone did bin it at speed they would have to be driving like a colossal ahole IMO.Basically, about a month tops.
Hmm. Oh dear.
Re-read my above and think about the velocity required [or power delivery] required to get the elephant unstuck...
Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 22 January 20:36
nickfrog said:
What's a DRIVERS car though ? We all like different things. I find that most road drivers can't drive but that doesn't mean that they don't have preferences.
Okay. Fair enough.What does preference mean to "road drivers"?
I'll go out on a limb and say it's tied up into competitiveness/frustration, the worse possible traits for road driving, but those that have been engineered into the European driving experience.
I'll also go as far as to say that driver involvement, feed back and vehicle dynamic responsiveness [and even economy] have been removed by directed legislation.
An example. Powerful braking systems and ABS braking systems.
A proven lifesaver in emergency situations when drivers have to apply maximum braking when they run out of space.
If there were no ABS you might just find that people both learn to comprehend road conditions "underfoot" and give themselves adequate stopping distances on the road. I do try too
Now copy that over to the other vehicle dynamics that have been taken from driver perception... below is a bit of an overkill..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVxkP6aJjTs
RoverP6B said:
Given how capable modern cars and - crucially - modern tyres have got, I can't help but think AWD as a "safety net" is rather superfluous.
Interesting up until my M135i on Michelin Pilot Super Sports I'd have disagreed with this!My 135i has done 48k miles in 2.5 years on the stock PSS's in ALL sorts of conditions and never complained, rarely flickering the TCS light.
My wifes Forester turbo with full time AWD on Yokohama Outlanders (stock fitment) on the other hand, that pig under steers at the slightest hint of wet or cold
Replacing the M135i will be real dilemma
Mojocvh said:
If there were no ABS you might just find that people both learn to comprehend road conditions "underfoot" and give themselves adequate stopping distances on the road. I do try too
It's easy to say/assume that as a keen driver/petrolhead, but it's simply not true. Without ABS, the majority of drivers simply lock the wheels solid and keep pressing on the brake. To them, the idea of reducing the amount of pedal pressure to increase deceleration is completely counter intuitive, and their perception of the situation is not that their wheels have locked up, but is instead that 'the brakes didn't work'.And let's not even get started on the fact that around 75% of drivers studied don't press the brake pedal hard enough to achieve ABS in the first place.....
mikey k said:
Interesting up until my M135i on Michelin Pilot Super Sports I'd have disagreed with this!
My 135i has done 48k miles in 2.5 years on the stock PSS's in ALL sorts of conditions and never complained, rarely flickering the TCS light.
My wifes Forester turbo with full time AWD on Yokohama Outlanders (stock fitment) on the other hand, that pig under steers at the slightest hint of wet or cold
Replacing the M135i will be real dilemma
Mk3 Focus RS! My 135i has done 48k miles in 2.5 years on the stock PSS's in ALL sorts of conditions and never complained, rarely flickering the TCS light.
My wifes Forester turbo with full time AWD on Yokohama Outlanders (stock fitment) on the other hand, that pig under steers at the slightest hint of wet or cold
Replacing the M135i will be real dilemma
J4CKO said:
Not sure if this has been posted, some fairly good footage of drift mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtuqPAkl-SY
fhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtuqPAkl-SY
k me, he's annoying.Legacywr said:
mikey k said:
Interesting up until my M135i on Michelin Pilot Super Sports I'd have disagreed with this!
My 135i has done 48k miles in 2.5 years on the stock PSS's in ALL sorts of conditions and never complained, rarely flickering the TCS light.
My wifes Forester turbo with full time AWD on Yokohama Outlanders (stock fitment) on the other hand, that pig under steers at the slightest hint of wet or cold
Replacing the M135i will be real dilemma
Mk3 Focus RS! My 135i has done 48k miles in 2.5 years on the stock PSS's in ALL sorts of conditions and never complained, rarely flickering the TCS light.
My wifes Forester turbo with full time AWD on Yokohama Outlanders (stock fitment) on the other hand, that pig under steers at the slightest hint of wet or cold
Replacing the M135i will be real dilemma
SidewaysSi said:
J4CKO said:
Not sure if this has been posted, some fairly good footage of drift mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtuqPAkl-SY
fhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtuqPAkl-SY
k me, he's annoying.
There is something that has been niggling me about Drift buttons and Burnout modes, only in a minor way as generally I like it, but,
Its a bit like when you got a really cool tape (child of the 80s, no apologies) and you put it on, it was the epitome of cool, it sounded great and knowing about it might mean being able to talk to Alison Smith in 4B who you knew were into that band, ok, it was a bit of a racket but it was very underground, no chart nonsense here.
Anyway, imagine the horror when you dad has borrowed it and he and your mum are listening to it in the car on a trip to see your gran and they are singling along ?
Totally ruined and I feel like drift buttons kind of spoil the naughtiness of it if its endorsed by the manufacturer, its like me trying to be "cool dad" or as bad being 14 and finding a freshly washed flannel, lube and some porn provided next to your bed, wrong on many levels.
We all know this stuff goes on but not sure I want Ford to let me know they know, whats next VW Tiguans with a Hydraulic handbrake ? J turn assistant on Kias ?
I can't believe we are comparing lift-off oversteer to power oversteer as if they are the same thing and feel the same.
I've had a Saxo VTS that would swap ends just for looking at it the wrong way and it was great fun. However, it doesn't compare to power oversteer for thrills.
Also, it looks likely the RS will tuck her nose and adjust her line if you lift which will allow drivers some nice control on the brakes and entering the corner. It's highly unlikely it'll lift-off oversteer like the 205/VTS/106, etc but that's ultimately a good thing; lift-off to the point of being snappy and end-swappy, whilst fun, does limit the ability to carry speed and safely teeter on the edge of grip.
We need to get real here, due to safety legislation and customer demands, the days of <1000kg cars with wafer thin doors and no luxuries are long gone. If you want that sort of thrill your going to have to buy something from the past or a 7, westie, etc.
I've had a Saxo VTS that would swap ends just for looking at it the wrong way and it was great fun. However, it doesn't compare to power oversteer for thrills.
Also, it looks likely the RS will tuck her nose and adjust her line if you lift which will allow drivers some nice control on the brakes and entering the corner. It's highly unlikely it'll lift-off oversteer like the 205/VTS/106, etc but that's ultimately a good thing; lift-off to the point of being snappy and end-swappy, whilst fun, does limit the ability to carry speed and safely teeter on the edge of grip.
We need to get real here, due to safety legislation and customer demands, the days of <1000kg cars with wafer thin doors and no luxuries are long gone. If you want that sort of thrill your going to have to buy something from the past or a 7, westie, etc.
I'm getting a touch confused over when this is a limited production build - I've seen the number 4000 mentioned a few times but is that for the UK or worldwide?
Also, I've seen the range 2-3000 for current orders placed so is that UK or worldwide too.
Reason I ask is I really want to order one but a dodgy back means I want to try one with recaros before I order - initially I was panicking that it might be a very short supply car but speaking to a few dealers I can get cancelled order ones for a May delivery.
Would appreciate any guidance you guys might have
Also, I've seen the range 2-3000 for current orders placed so is that UK or worldwide too.
Reason I ask is I really want to order one but a dodgy back means I want to try one with recaros before I order - initially I was panicking that it might be a very short supply car but speaking to a few dealers I can get cancelled order ones for a May delivery.
Would appreciate any guidance you guys might have
Your best bet is to find a MKII RS and drive that as they all have the CS seats. If all you want to do is sit in them then there is an RS show car working its way round the dealers just now. FWIW, I have sat in standard and CS seats back to back and much prefer the standard seat for comfort. There is no denying the CS seats look better though. There is also a 20-odd page argument about CS vs Standard on the Focus RSOC 
Ford UK MD Andy Barrett has said publicly that he doesn't think he'll be able to secure more than 4000 > 4500 for UK sale before the Mk4 Focus arrives in about 2017. The only "limited production build" part is how many the UK can get before the Mk3 is replaced by the Mk4 and so the Mk3 RS production ceases.
There's about 2000 orders already depending where you read and what you believe.
As for suiting a bad back - I have a bad lower back at times (ok at the moment) and I found the CS seat to be far more supportive than the ST style seat. Everyone is different obviously so best to try them yourself.
There's about 2000 orders already depending where you read and what you believe.
As for suiting a bad back - I have a bad lower back at times (ok at the moment) and I found the CS seat to be far more supportive than the ST style seat. Everyone is different obviously so best to try them yourself.
Edited by Dal3D on Tuesday 26th January 09:26
This is a seriously cool car.
I think that the intake resonator issue isn't really an issue. It gives you (albeit a synthesized) engine intake noise, without the need to piss the whole neighbourhood off with yob spec exhausts.
Nowadays people want a car to have a split personality. They want it to be quick, but comfy. They want it to be loud when they've got their foot matted, but quiet when commuting. They want it to feel raw, but no so much that it makes it uncomfortable.
My Megane RS has a sport button, and it changes how the whole car behaves. It makes it a little firmer, it makes it much more responsive to throttle and steering inputs, and it makes the exhaust a little louder and makes pops and crackles.
In normal mode it's a comfy car, in sport mode, it's a seriously fast, capable, fun car and it perfectly epitomises the Jekyll and Hyde effect.
I think that the intake resonator issue isn't really an issue. It gives you (albeit a synthesized) engine intake noise, without the need to piss the whole neighbourhood off with yob spec exhausts.
Nowadays people want a car to have a split personality. They want it to be quick, but comfy. They want it to be loud when they've got their foot matted, but quiet when commuting. They want it to feel raw, but no so much that it makes it uncomfortable.
My Megane RS has a sport button, and it changes how the whole car behaves. It makes it a little firmer, it makes it much more responsive to throttle and steering inputs, and it makes the exhaust a little louder and makes pops and crackles.
In normal mode it's a comfy car, in sport mode, it's a seriously fast, capable, fun car and it perfectly epitomises the Jekyll and Hyde effect.
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