RE: Ken Block: PH Meets

RE: Ken Block: PH Meets

Sunday 24th January 2016

Ken Block: PH Meets

How to sell a performance Ford to the YouTube generation? This man can help



So now you know how the Ford Focus RS drives. Why it does what it does is a question worth putting to a man whose influence is all over it. So when a familiar baseball-capped, mirror-shaded figure appeared at the coffee stop on the launch route we reckoned it was worth cornering him for a quick chat.


Traditionally RS Fords have traded heavily on their motorsport bloodline, especially when homologation rules required limited run road cars. Times have changed though. No greater reflection of that can be found than the fact that the major dynamic influence on the Focus RS didn't come from lap times or stage rally competition. Rather from a bloke who does spectacular smoky doughnuts around closed-off city centres for no other reason than it looks cool and provides a steady stream of clickable, marketable and shareable content for the YouTube generation. And the sponsors who want to talk to them.

In person Ken from the Block is rather more serious and corporate than his image may suggest. But, when you consider his background, that's no surprise. Skidding a car around obstacles with a GoPro on the roof isn't that difficult after all. Transforming yourself into a global celebrity and one-man marketing machine off the back of it? Rather a bigger deal.

So to our chat...


Did you have a genuine development role in the Focus RS then?
"I pushed for Ford to do the all-wheel drive set-up in this car so it has been years of pestering. The previous generations of the RS have been front-wheel drive but the cars we race are all-wheel drive. And once they started the development they brought me in to do some of the testing for the handling components of the car. It was actually a lot of fun because everything I've done previously in terms of testing and development has been on race cars - I've never actually done anything for street cars."


So it's about more than turning up and smiling for the cameras?
"Yeah, I mean, they set out to do something quite different for them, production wise, so they really put a lot of time and effort into making the best product they could. And they brought me on three different occasions for testing. I wasn't there to work on electronics for air conditioning! Strictly handling, suspension and all-wheel drive."

Are you the man to sell the hot hatch to America?
"The hatch thing has actually been doing pretty decently in the States but Ford's never brought the RS and it's really about waking up the consumers. I've been pushing the hatch thing since I've been with Ford; the high performance race car is different from the production car but now they have a production car that is high horsepower, all-wheel drive so it's now starting to fit more than it ever has in the past."


So who buys hot hatches in America?
"It's a different consumer from your Mustang or truck consumer, there is a distinct hatch consumer and a car like the RS epitomises the best kind of car you can get for that consumer. It's not that a car like this hasn't existed in the States, you've had products from other manufacturers there."

The Japanese you mean?
"Yeah. But some of those brands now aren't racing the things they were years ago. And it's unfortunate when you have such a classic car like the STI - it had the race heritage but now that has gone."

Would it have been impossible to market a front-driven RS to the US market?
I think, worldwide, the front-wheel drive car has been around a long time and really you can get some good performance out of it. But it is a bit restrictive on looser surfaces or wet surfaces or tighter hairpins - all-wheel drive just performs better. I think that that's a big selling feature just in general."


Is it really a good idea to offer a Drift mode to people who, let's face it, might not have the skills to use it?
[Laughs] "The thing about Drift mode is it's something that exists in the world of cars. My Ford Raptor has it, it's basically an electronic control that adjusts how much oversteer you get ... the Raptor actually has a thing called off-road mode which, you know, you turn the traction control down and you push the off-road mode and it lets you then get the yaw further out. Because of the liability and everything involved with building production cars nowadays there is so much electronic control. You can't drive the cars the way you did 20 years ago. So the manufacturers are having to build the controls in for the consumers that wanna do this stuff when they take the car to the right place, like a track or a closed facility."

Did you push for it to be branded as a Drift mode?
"You know, they did that themselves! Of course, I like that word and it kind of defines some of the things I do. But I'm surprised they picked that word!"

 

 

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RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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My teenage son says he couldn't give a crap about Ken Block when he can watch videos of historics being raced at Goodwood, getting sideways just because that's how they handle, and is similarly disinterested in FWD/AWD Fords... speaking of which, this is a part-time system which never throws more than 30% of the power to the rear. Four wheel drive it is not. Why do manufacturers insist on using these dreadful part-time systems rather than proper permanent 4WD (as found in Subarus)?

Edited by RoverP6B on Thursday 21st January 03:50

K666ADM

156 posts

191 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Its good that they are making a clear difference between Drifting and Powersliding. Drifting is all about show, breaking loose the rears and having controlled oversteer - as the writer in the article has made clear; its all about show and not really about go and its not hard to acheive. The true powerslide with all four wheels pointing in the same direction that does not require lift off, e-braking, pitching the car or large amounts of steering input is much harder to acheive and will give a faster corner entry and exit.

We can all learn from a legend...
http://petrolicious.com/this-period-shelby-documen...

These are the fast fords and the brave racers who gave them the glory years.

brogenville

931 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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RoverP6B said:
My teenage son says he couldn't give a crap about Ken Block when he can watch videos of historics being raced at Goodwood, getting sideways just because that's how they handle, and is similarly disinterested in FWD/AWD Fords... speaking of which, this is a part-time system which never throws more than 30% of the power to the rear. Four wheel drive it is not. Why do manufacturers insist on using these dreadful part-time systems rather than proper permanent 4WD (as found in Subarus)?

Edited by RoverP6B on Thursday 21st January 03:50
Someone's clearly not been paying as close attention to all the pre-launch blurb as ford would hope! To their credit, the new rs does have a proper 4wd system (not your VAG style haldex diff crap). There's actually some proper hardware in there.

Kermit74

78 posts

100 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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why the hell is PH aways banging on about Ken Block.....No other motoring mag gives two hoots about him...

J8 SVG

1,468 posts

130 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Kermit74 said:
why the hell is PH aways banging on about Ken Block.....No other motoring mag gives two hoots about him...
Because they're two serious and don't give two hoots about having fun?

Pretty sure Ford Performance magazines feature him and Top Gear certainly do anyway

williamp

19,262 posts

273 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Had a chance in a rally car, not very impressive. Knows how to use a handbrake though. Is he a ford ambassador? Like that bearded hipster bloke uis for porsche

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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williamp said:
Had a chance in a rally car, not very impressive. Knows how to use a handbrake though. Is he a ford ambassador? Like that bearded hipster bloke uis for porsche
I'd say regular top 10 finishes on the WRC by a guy whose only a part time racing driver is a lot more impressive than you, I and pretty much anyone on here could manage...

SuperVM

1,098 posts

161 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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RoverP6B said:
My teenage son says he couldn't give a crap about Ken Block when he can watch videos of historics being raced at Goodwood, getting sideways just because that's how they handle, and is similarly disinterested in FWD/AWD Fords... speaking of which, this is a part-time system which never throws more than 30% of the power to the rear. Four wheel drive it is not. Why do manufacturers insist on using these dreadful part-time systems rather than proper permanent 4WD (as found in Subarus)?

Edited by RoverP6B on Thursday 21st January 03:50
Pretty sure it sends up to 70% to the rear.

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Sorry, I misread the 30:70 split, but it is still a part-time system - under normal operation, it is still FWD. WHY?! Why can't it be a proper permanent 4WD system?

Truckosaurus

11,305 posts

284 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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RoverP6B said:
...Why can't it be a proper permanent 4WD system?
Emissions/Taxation Class reasons.

Some bean counter has decided they'd sell fewer with a simpler but more thirsty 4wd system. (eg. Subaru STIs are hardly flying off the forecourts)

RoverP6B

Original Poster:

4,338 posts

128 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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So they do the entire emissions test in 2WD? Why not have a switchable system enabling you to engage 2/4WD manually like most old 4x4s do?

petrolJim

6 posts

135 months

Sunday 24th January 2016
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DanielSan said:
I'd say regular top 10 finishes on the WRC by a guy whose only a part time racing driver is a lot more impressive than you, I and pretty much anyone on here could manage...
This!

I'd bet that a lot of people on here would consider Robert Kubica a more talented driver off the bat than KB given his F1 credentials, but he's been having a much harder go at WRC driving than Ken did and can barely finish a rally let alone get regular top 10 finishes. Ok, a good F1 driver does not a WRC star make but the point is that I think KB's very-part-time WRC career is used a bit unfairly as a barometer of how special a driver he is / isn't. I get that he's never set the world on fire in rallying but I don't think anyone who'd only started competing in their mid 30s would.

wst

3,494 posts

161 months

Sunday 24th January 2016
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Ken Block's thing is that he's mostly a guy having stupid amounts of fun in a car. Ayrton Senna's thing was that he's a guy who can drive a car obscenely fast around a track. Ford is name dropping Ken on their car with "drift mode" and Honda name dropped Senna on the NSX.

Ok, Ken is a bit of a corporate we, but out of the adrenaline sports Americans out there, tell me one who isn't...

PHmember

2,487 posts

171 months

Sunday 24th January 2016
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I think we all agree that Ken can certainly drive - & I do love some of the driving in his videos - but, where he loses kudos is where you can see that he's done that turn or doughnut god knows how many times before. I suspect that any half decent club racer could produce the Same results given the same funding & as many goes as Mr Block takes to get it right.

Janesy B

2,625 posts

186 months

Sunday 24th January 2016
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People are bitter...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Sunday 24th January 2016
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Celebrity Death Match,

Ken Block vs Chris Harris

laugh

BricktopST205

909 posts

134 months

Sunday 24th January 2016
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It is a sad state of affairs when you need Ken Block to promote your new car. Gone are the days when you had Juha Kankkunen/Carlos Sainz promoting the Celica GT-Four, Tommi Makinen the Lancer Evolution and Colin Mcrae the Impreza.


arkenphel

484 posts

205 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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anonymous said:
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Very true. He's far more successful than almost all of us, and seems to be having fun doing it. Carry on, Ken...

Janesy B

2,625 posts

186 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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BricktopST205 said:
It is a sad state of affairs when you need Ken Block to promote your new car. Gone are the days when you had Juha Kankkunen/Carlos Sainz promoting the Celica GT-Four, Tommi Makinen the Lancer Evolution and Colin Mcrae the Impreza.

Promotional launch work or rallying the things? You can't argue with the reach Ken Block has.

Of course choosing people that only WRC fans would know over someone that is a household name would make sense in marketing terms, as long as it pleases some rally geeks...

r.g.

601 posts

212 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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Janesy B said:
Promotional launch work or rallying the things? You can't argue with the reach Ken Block has.

Of course choosing people that only WRC fans would know over someone that is a household name would make sense in marketing terms, as long as it pleases some rally geeks...
A sign of the times!

Rallying is nowhere near as popular now as it used to be. It's all about the marketing and Mr Block can and will reach millions compared to whoever (insert unpronounceable name)is driving a Ford in WRC these days.