Sychophantic (and biased) motoring media?

Sychophantic (and biased) motoring media?

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GreenArrow

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1,520 posts

55 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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So all the reviews of the new 911 Carrera are gushing with praise and seem to ignore the increase in kerb weight (1500KG now for a Carrera S 2WD), turbo lag, lack of throttle response vs the n/a engine and marginal improvement in real world MPG. The 911 is clearly still a brilliant car, but it does seem that the UK motoring press suck up to Porsche in particular, but also BMW, VW and Ferrari, which are the media darlings. We really need a new Clarkson, not the Top Gear version of recent years, but the acerbic Clarkson journalist of his earlier years where he wasn't afraid to give an unpopular opinion. His Vauxhall Vectra review was the stuff of legend and perhaps cruel but it did force Vauxhall to up their game a bit. Does anyone else feel that the motoring press are increasingly lazy these days and particularly biased towards their favourite brands?

Magic919

14,126 posts

139 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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No.

funkyrobot

16,710 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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I think the only way people can form an opinion is to drive the car themselves.

Far too many people have an agenda, and will stick to it when doing reviews etc. They are probably scared that if they say something negative, they won't get the next car to take a look at.

It's a bit like the gushing praise for a certain motoring journalist (non Top Gear related) on here. To some, he is the best thing ever. Each to their own though. smile

Shambler

769 posts

82 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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GreenArrow said:
So all the reviews of the new 911 Carrera are gushing with praise and seem to ignore the increase in kerb weight (1500KG now for a Carrera S 2WD), turbo lag, lack of throttle response vs the n/a engine and marginal improvement in real world MPG. The 911 is clearly still a brilliant car, but it does seem that the UK motoring press suck up to Porsche in particular, but also BMW, VW and Ferrari, which are the media darlings. We really need a new Clarkson, not the Top Gear version of recent years, but the acerbic Clarkson journalist of his earlier years where he wasn't afraid to give an unpopular opinion. His Vauxhall Vectra review was the stuff of legend and perhaps cruel but it did force Vauxhall to up their game a bit. Does anyone else feel that the motoring press are increasingly lazy these days and particularly biased towards their favourite brands?
Jaguar and Landrover seem to be able to do no wrong. 1500kg is not bad considering the new focus rs is 1600kg.

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Maybe the cars are pretty good? The press hated the 991.1's EPAS and manual 'box, both of which seem to be vastly improved in the new car.

Certain manufacturers make great (driving) cars, notably JLR, Porsche, BMW, Lotus and Caterham. To get a bad review is pretty rare but I do believe the press and the views of certain journalists. In fact, I do base my buying decisions on what they say and have never been disappointed.

Whilst I am not a fan of modern cars in general, I do think certain manufacturers produce some great cars. I would however like to see a proper comparison between new and old e.g. a brand new 991 vs a fit 996 etc. as I do think the new stuff is ultimately not as exciting to drive as older cars, particularly on the road.



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s m

17,141 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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funkyrobot said:
I think the only way people can form an opinion is to drive the car themselves.

Far too many people have an agenda, and will stick to it when doing reviews etc. They are probably scared that if they say something negative, they won't get the next car to take a look at.

It's a bit like the gushing praise for a certain motoring journalist (non Top Gear related) on here. To some, he is the best thing ever. Each to their own though. smile
Agreed, personal experience is best. Although having read hundreds of mags I tend to know which writers I can trust to have a similar grasp of cars as myself.

There is the point about certain manufacturers taking umbrage with reviews and refusing to let certain mags/writers review their cars......Ferrari and Alfa spring to mind.

There is also the fact that one unfavourable review can 'stick' in the minds of people and become blown out of all proportion. This has certainly happened with some 80s hot hatches and other stuff.

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

99 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Agreed.

For example AUDI are brilliant but all they get is hate and "go buy a bmw instead innit" comments.

Some people even tell potential R8 owners to buy an M6 instead ffs.

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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twoblacklines said:
Agreed.

For example AUDI are brilliant but all they get is hate and "go buy a bmw instead innit" comments.

Some people even tell potential R8 owners to buy an M6 instead ffs.
Why would you buy an R8? A GT Porsche is what's needed smile

KM666

1,670 posts

121 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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I think going the other way Vauxhall seems to get consistantly average reviews. I had a fiesta eco boost rental which was crap and a Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 rental which was also crap but better than the ford that the press gushes over, worst of all was a VW Polo rental.

Maybe its that I dont spend all day massaging the dash plastics...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

193 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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twoblacklines said:
For example AUDI are brilliant but all they get is hate and "go buy a bmw instead innit" comments.
That's because BMWs are (or at least have been) far better drivers cars than anything equivalent that Audi makes.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

43 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Mr2Mike said:
twoblacklines said:
For example AUDI are brilliant but all they get is hate and "go buy a bmw instead innit" comments.
That's because BMWs are (or at least have been) far better drivers cars than anything equivalent that Audi makes.
Within a very small set of brackets they maybe.............define "drivers car" please

loose cannon

5,303 posts

179 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Anything pre 1995 anything that hasn't got a vag badge, any modern German hatchbacks
German big sallon's that are basically just chauffeur cars anything somebody crows about on here
In fact all cars are st emphasis on anything vag being the main culprit of corporate overhyped dross with a soft touch cheap plastic dash biggrin

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Stickyfinger said:
Mr2Mike said:
twoblacklines said:
For example AUDI are brilliant but all they get is hate and "go buy a bmw instead innit" comments.
That's because BMWs are (or at least have been) far better drivers cars than anything equivalent that Audi makes.
Within a very small set of brackets they maybe.............define "drivers car" please
Steering feel, chassis balance, agility, body control, oversteer etc.

I don't want this to be another Audi bashing thread as certain people like that sort of thing but in general they offer very little for the keen driver.

loose cannon

5,303 posts

179 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Bit of a stupid question to ask on here in my opinion as most on here value lazy left legs and infotainment as the most important key to a drivers enjoyment oh that and having the fastest drag racing car on public roads wink
You won't get any serious answers on here without a load of upset fanboys which is why mostly I like to post a load of tripe
Myself to amuse narcasist self

poing

8,305 posts

138 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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So to be clear, you think ALL the motoring press is biased? Not just some of it but ALL of it? And that seems likely?

loose cannon

5,303 posts

179 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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I find in life it's best to taste the fruits of life yourself and make up your own mind were possible

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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Trying before you buy is all well and good but you can't drive something up to and over its limits on a test drive on the road. Yes, you get a feel for its general ability but a 20 minute test drive is not really sufficient. So yes, I do look for press reviews.

zeDuffMan

2,490 posts

89 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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The mags that focus on sports cars and higher end machinery worry that if they give a negative review, they won't be invited to the next press event.

It's only when a car's successor comes along that you begin to learn about the flaws of the previous generation.

Either you read between the lines and consider what they aren't saying, or you ignore the issue altogether and take whatever's said at face value.

Evo would be pretty screwed if they never got to try out the latest Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini etc in the launch events, for instance.

loose cannon

5,303 posts

179 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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SidewaysSi said:
Trying before you buy is all well and good but you can't drive something up to and over its limits on a test drive on the road. Yes, you get a feel for its general ability but a 20 minute test drive is not really sufficient. So yes, I do look for press reviews.
Yeh but you can't drive like that full stop unless your on a track or breaking the law so you could argue what is the point anyway sorry I'm being pedantic, you use all the information available and then adapt that information to suit your requirements, as long as you do that you can't go to wrong just don't get to sucked in to the fashion or what you think will
Make you look good as a priority than you can't go to far wrong either sorry I'll stop spouting ste now carry on

SidewaysSi

5,040 posts

172 months

Saturday 23rd January 2016
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loose cannon said:
SidewaysSi said:
Trying before you buy is all well and good but you can't drive something up to and over its limits on a test drive on the road. Yes, you get a feel for its general ability but a 20 minute test drive is not really sufficient. So yes, I do look for press reviews.
Yeh but you can't drive like that full stop unless your on a track or breaking the law so you could argue what is the point anyway sorry I'm being pedantic, you use all the information available and then adapt that information to suit your requirements, as long as you do that you can't go to wrong just don't get to sucked in to the fashion or what you think will
Make you look good as a priority than you can't go to far wrong either sorry I'll stop spouting ste now carry on
Agree but I wouldn't disregard what the press say. And as for breaching limits, it depends on the car, the road, the country etc. But I, like many people do like to push my car within reason.