Stupid things non petrolheads say... Vol 2
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WarrenB said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
The Korean manufacturers head-hunted a lot of very senior engineering talent from Germany in recent years, so there may be more than a grain of truth in some of the inane-sounding "Korean Audi" remarks.
Am I right in saying the chap that designed some of the recent Kias was the same chap who designed the TT? I think there was some other BMW chap who joined further back than that, was involved with the Stinger and others IIRC.
I think people do the petrol or diesel question as a s
t small talk thing.
When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bullstter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about.
t small talk thing.When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bulls
tter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about. Kiribati268 said:
I think people do the petrol or diesel question as a st small talk thing.
When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bullstter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about.
I take great glee in putting automotive bullst small talk thing.When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bulls
tter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about. tters in their place. Also I don’t really look like a car enthusiast, so when ever a mechanic/techie tries to talk to me like a baby. I usually spare women and the elderly from my huge brain and “i am considerably better than thou” attitude to motoring just in case they feel stupid.
Kiribati268 said:
I think people do the petrol or diesel question as a st small talk thing.
When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bullstter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about.
I don't suppose he's a serviceman is he? t small talk thing.When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bulls
tter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about. Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
I suppose if they weren't massively heavy with huge inertia it wouldn't be worth having regenerative braking?In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
What The Deuces said:
Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
I suppose if they weren't massively heavy with huge inertia it wouldn't be worth having regenerative braking?In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
There are limits of course because typically not all wheels are driven.
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Friday 21st April 10:01
Nomme de Plum said:
What The Deuces said:
Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
I suppose if they weren't massively heavy with huge inertia it wouldn't be worth having regenerative braking?In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
There are limits of course because typically not all wheels are driven.
Because with a light car it wouldn't be worth installing regen braking...
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Friday 21st April 10:01
Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
"It costs less to charge a fully electric car from empty to full than it costs to boil a kettle of water."(Shortly after we had been discussing the amount of charge an electric chainsaw uses, extra large batteries, granny charger on a Tesla, etc. He owns a plug in hybrid, but doesn't plug it in as "It wouldn't make any savings")
As a "good" thing a non petrolhead said, like seriously NON petrolhead - she described the size of the engine to the amount of vroom the car has, might sound trivial but I repeat, NON petrolhead.
What The Deuces said:
Because with a light car it wouldn't be worth installing regen braking...
Regen isn't something that is installed as such. It's simply an inherent function of the motor and drive system. Regardless of weight of vehicle you might as well soak up the benefits (which are pretty huge when you consider the efficiency of a modern EV drivetrain). What The Deuces said:
Nomme de Plum said:
What The Deuces said:
Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
I suppose if they weren't massively heavy with huge inertia it wouldn't be worth having regenerative braking?In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
There are limits of course because typically not all wheels are driven.
Because with a light car it wouldn't be worth installing regen braking...
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Friday 21st April 10:01
Nomme de Plum said:
What The Deuces said:
Nomme de Plum said:
What The Deuces said:
Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
I suppose if they weren't massively heavy with huge inertia it wouldn't be worth having regenerative braking?In a Tesla 3 with a couple of other colleagues and the driver said, “you can tell how heavy it is because as soon as you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down massively”
There are limits of course because typically not all wheels are driven.
Because with a light car it wouldn't be worth installing regen braking...
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Friday 21st April 10:01
Pan Pan Pan said:
Exactly. Heavy cars require more energy to accelerate them up to a required speed, than is needed for a light car. That is why F1 and many other competition cars, tend to be lighter rather than heavier, as they are generally faster, and easier to accelerate, stop, and get around bends.
We were discussing the worth of regeneration. It's blindingly obvious that a heavy load need more energy to accelerate it than one which is lighter.Notwithstanding if that energy can be harvested when decelerating the it offsets the total energy required. In theory and excluding drive train losses if 100% of the energy could be recovered through braking then overall no additional energy would be required to accelerate back to the state before.
EVs do not generally have 4 wheels driven and the drive train will not have sufficient capacity to absorb the total energy anyway.
Even some electric cycles use regen braking.
BTW A BMW M3 or M4 is not a dissimilar weight than a Tesla Model 3
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Friday 21st April 11:38
Nomme de Plum said:
We were discussing the worth of regeneration. It's blindingly obvious that a heavy load need more energy to accelerate it than one which is lighter.
Notwithstanding if that energy can be harvested when decelerating the it offsets the total energy required. In theory and excluding drive train losses if 100% of the energy could be recovered through braking then overall no additional energy would be required to accelerate back to the state before.
Perpetual motion machine Notwithstanding if that energy can be harvested when decelerating the it offsets the total energy required. In theory and excluding drive train losses if 100% of the energy could be recovered through braking then overall no additional energy would be required to accelerate back to the state before.
Dracoro said:
Nomme de Plum said:
We were discussing the worth of regeneration. It's blindingly obvious that a heavy load need more energy to accelerate it than one which is lighter.
Notwithstanding if that energy can be harvested when decelerating the it offsets the total energy required. In theory and excluding drive train losses if 100% of the energy could be recovered through braking then overall no additional energy would be required to accelerate back to the state before.
Perpetual motion machine Notwithstanding if that energy can be harvested when decelerating the it offsets the total energy required. In theory and excluding drive train losses if 100% of the energy could be recovered through braking then overall no additional energy would be required to accelerate back to the state before.
Furthermore the drive train will not be able to accept all of the braking energy.
Kiribati268 said:
I think people do the petrol or diesel question as a st small talk thing.
When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bullstter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about.
t small talk thing.When I bought my motorbike a few years ago and took it round to a mates house, when leaving he said he loved it and then asked if it took petrol or diesel.... for a motorbike.
I gave a blank look and asked why he said that, he replied, 'that's the default question when you're interested in someone's car.'
It's one of those bulls
tter gets found out by someone that knows what their talking about. 
They don't really know what they're talking about or what to say so just take a stab in the dark at some car related talk.I was talking to someone at work about their new Cayman, someone else jumped in to tell us that their Honda CRV diesel is pretty quick and would probably give it a run for its money. It's easier just to nod along rather than try to argue with them and piss all over their cornflakes.
Peanut Gallery said:
Hackney said:
One for “Stupid things non- electricheads say”?
"It costs less to charge a fully electric car from empty to full than it costs to boil a kettle of water."(Shortly after we had been discussing the amount of charge an electric chainsaw uses, extra large batteries, granny charger on a Tesla, etc. He owns a plug in hybrid, but doesn't plug it in as "It wouldn't make any savings")
As a "good" thing a non petrolhead said, like seriously NON petrolhead - she described the size of the engine to the amount of vroom the car has, might sound trivial but I repeat, NON petrolhead.
Two different colleagues were confused by engine sizes recently. One in his Vauxhall Movano loan van claimed it had a 3.5 litre, another said his brother just bought a 5.5 litre Audi A6. They each had the numbers '3500' and '55' on the back respectively, so was easy to see that it was an innocent enough mistake and not just bullst.
I'll accept that the number designation on vehicles can be confusing now that they often have little relation to the engine size. 15 years ago, they'd likely have been correct(ish).
More relevant, a friend of my girlfriends engine on her 208 started knocking badly recently. She said it had ran out of oil but couldn't get it booked into the garage for two weeks so drove it daily anyway. Oh dear.
t.I'll accept that the number designation on vehicles can be confusing now that they often have little relation to the engine size. 15 years ago, they'd likely have been correct(ish).
More relevant, a friend of my girlfriends engine on her 208 started knocking badly recently. She said it had ran out of oil but couldn't get it booked into the garage for two weeks so drove it daily anyway. Oh dear.
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