Speeding through average speed camera zones - What gives?
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Moominator said:
In a 50 limit motorway works I honestly don't think lane discipline is paramount - after all if everyone is doing c50 why is there a need to overtake/rush?
A widely held view, but completely incorrect. People are seldom doing anywhere near 50mph, either.Moominator said:
...or have you made yourself a policeman
Misquoted, but that makes my point nicely. It is not your place to police the speed limit. Even if youre doing 53mph, you should keep the highway clear because someone else may wish to drive at 56mph.Moominator said:
shakotan said:
If he had time to undertake and pull out, it means there was space available to you in Lane 1, so you were MLMing. Not justifying his actions, just an observation.
In a 50 limit motorway works I honestly don't think lane discipline is paramount - after all if everyone is doing c50 why is there a need to overtake/rush? My situafion- we were approaching a major two lane slip road filter from the left so I felt I was fine to hold middle lane for longer. The truck was driving dangerously.
My thoughts on ANY undertaking = cock.
Your TV dinner in front of the TV can wait 20more seconds and are you in a rush to give an urgent talk on the latest surgery technique?
Or have you made yourself a policeman with powers to punish through yourcown bad driving?
JockySteer said:
Moominator said:
shakotan said:
If he had time to undertake and pull out, it means there was space available to you in Lane 1, so you were MLMing. Not justifying his actions, just an observation.
In a 50 limit motorway works I honestly don't think lane discipline is paramount - after all if everyone is doing c50 why is there a need to overtake/rush? My situafion- we were approaching a major two lane slip road filter from the left so I felt I was fine to hold middle lane for longer. The truck was driving dangerously.
My thoughts on ANY undertaking = cock.
Your TV dinner in front of the TV can wait 20more seconds and are you in a rush to give an urgent talk on the latest surgery technique?
Or have you made yourself a policeman with powers to punish through yourcown bad driving?
I was in L3 crushing at 50, along side me was an artic, at no point could I or anybody else move into another lane. It was a relaxing drive through.
But of course you should abide by lane discipline when you can.
Vipers said:
Driving through the 50 zone on the m6/m1 this week, although everyone was sticking go 50 with all those average cameras around, all three lanes were taken up by the sheer volume of traffic.
I was in L3 crushing at 50, along side me was an artic, at no point could I or anybody else move into another lane. It was a relaxing drive through.
But of course you should abide by lane discipline when you can.
You need to be careful of being alongside arctics or there could really be crushing at 50mph. It's those situations of there being no room to manoeuvre that I find stressful. I was in L3 crushing at 50, along side me was an artic, at no point could I or anybody else move into another lane. It was a relaxing drive through.
But of course you should abide by lane discipline when you can.
I do tend to have a laugh when driving in the average speed cameras setting the cc at 50 and watching how many people just don't get what it means by average, slamming breaks on for the sign then seeping off to the next one and doing the same again. Everyone seems to be in far too much of a rush to get places now a days
Hello All.
This mornng I went through the roadworks on the M6 towards Preston, before the St Helens turn off.
Went through all the temp/roadworks at 50, then though they had finished (no roadworks etc or signs) so tanked up to about 78 most.
Then noticed a sign at 50 further down so slowed down for the last stretch to 40 - I'm so nervous I feel sick - I really don't need or want the points!
This mornng I went through the roadworks on the M6 towards Preston, before the St Helens turn off.
Went through all the temp/roadworks at 50, then though they had finished (no roadworks etc or signs) so tanked up to about 78 most.
Then noticed a sign at 50 further down so slowed down for the last stretch to 40 - I'm so nervous I feel sick - I really don't need or want the points!
theboss said:
DaveCWK said:
You can do a true 56 through the ones on the M3, every day for years, and you won't get fined.
To someone religiously sticking to 49/50 on their car speedo of indeterminate accuracy, it probably would look like those passing at 56 do know something they don't.
I suspect the units for prosecution are 10% + 2 + A little bit more due to being 'average'.
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has actually been prosecuted for travelling at 57 in a SPECS 50.
After stating earlier in this thread that I'm one of the ones who does an indicated 59-60, I can confirm that I've just picked up a NIP for 57 in a SPECS 50. Must have taken my eye off the ball that one time - SAC here I come.To someone religiously sticking to 49/50 on their car speedo of indeterminate accuracy, it probably would look like those passing at 56 do know something they don't.
I suspect the units for prosecution are 10% + 2 + A little bit more due to being 'average'.
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has actually been prosecuted for travelling at 57 in a SPECS 50.
TX.
Terminator X said:
theboss said:
DaveCWK said:
You can do a true 56 through the ones on the M3, every day for years, and you won't get fined.
To someone religiously sticking to 49/50 on their car speedo of indeterminate accuracy, it probably would look like those passing at 56 do know something they don't.
I suspect the units for prosecution are 10% + 2 + A little bit more due to being 'average'.
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has actually been prosecuted for travelling at 57 in a SPECS 50.
After stating earlier in this thread that I'm one of the ones who does an indicated 59-60, I can confirm that I've just picked up a NIP for 57 in a SPECS 50. Must have taken my eye off the ball that one time - SAC here I come.To someone religiously sticking to 49/50 on their car speedo of indeterminate accuracy, it probably would look like those passing at 56 do know something they don't.
I suspect the units for prosecution are 10% + 2 + A little bit more due to being 'average'.
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has actually been prosecuted for travelling at 57 in a SPECS 50.
TX.
I think for me it'll depend on how far back the camera mark the average speed limit. I must have passed maybe 3? then I started speeding for a minute or 2 on between the last ones.
This is ****
PhillA3 said:
Hello All.
This mornng I went through the roadworks on the M6 towards Preston, before the St Helens turn off.
Went through all the temp/roadworks at 50, then though they had finished (no roadworks etc or signs) so tanked up to about 78 most.
Then noticed a sign at 50 further down so slowed down for the last stretch to 40 - I'm so nervous I feel sick - I really don't need or want the points!
Relax, even if you are unlucky enough to receive a NIP, it's just a few points and a bit of money. Life goes on. No point losing sleep over it now. This mornng I went through the roadworks on the M6 towards Preston, before the St Helens turn off.
Went through all the temp/roadworks at 50, then though they had finished (no roadworks etc or signs) so tanked up to about 78 most.
Then noticed a sign at 50 further down so slowed down for the last stretch to 40 - I'm so nervous I feel sick - I really don't need or want the points!
HustleRussell said:
PhillA3 said:
Hello All.
This mornng I went through the roadworks on the M6 towards Preston, before the St Helens turn off.
Went through all the temp/roadworks at 50, then though they had finished (no roadworks etc or signs) so tanked up to about 78 most.
Then noticed a sign at 50 further down so slowed down for the last stretch to 40 - I'm so nervous I feel sick - I really don't need or want the points!
Relax, even if you are unlucky enough to receive a NIP, it's just a few points and a bit of money. Life goes on. No point losing sleep over it now. This mornng I went through the roadworks on the M6 towards Preston, before the St Helens turn off.
Went through all the temp/roadworks at 50, then though they had finished (no roadworks etc or signs) so tanked up to about 78 most.
Then noticed a sign at 50 further down so slowed down for the last stretch to 40 - I'm so nervous I feel sick - I really don't need or want the points!
It's going to be a nervous 2.5 years for me if I get one.
Bad luck. You could present your defence. There might be some magistrates who are sympathetic to the opinion that the lack of 'End of restriction' signs is a deliberate ploy to fleece the generally law abiding motorist.
I believe that the HA has stated that end of restriction need not be announced when gantries are used to indicate reduced limits. You were unlucky to be caught while confused by the apparent lack of signage.
I believe that the HA has stated that end of restriction need not be announced when gantries are used to indicate reduced limits. You were unlucky to be caught while confused by the apparent lack of signage.
speedking31 said:
Bad luck. You could present your defence. There might be some magistrates who are sympathetic to the opinion that the lack of 'End of restriction' signs is a deliberate ploy to fleece the generally law abiding motorist.
I believe that the HA has stated that end of restriction need not be announced when gantries are used to indicate reduced limits. You were unlucky to be caught while confused by the apparent lack of signage.
I don't think I have any defence - if an NIP is sent - i better bite the bullet and take it I believe that the HA has stated that end of restriction need not be announced when gantries are used to indicate reduced limits. You were unlucky to be caught while confused by the apparent lack of signage.
HustleRussell said:
Relax, even if you are unlucky enough to receive a NIP, it's just a few points and a bit of money. Life goes on. No point losing sleep over it now.
70 odd in a 50 may be more than an FPN. In some areas (Aberdeen) these days 70 in a 50 gets you 5 points and £300 at your day in court.simoid said:
HustleRussell said:
Relax, even if you are unlucky enough to receive a NIP, it's just a few points and a bit of money. Life goes on. No point losing sleep over it now.
70 odd in a 50 may be more than an FPN. In some areas (Aberdeen) these days 70 in a 50 gets you 5 points and £300 at your day in court.PhillA3 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I'd be very surprised if switched on after the finish of the works. Very few of the M1 Works ones are, based on my experience 
It would be harsh if it was - there where literally no road works, cones or signs - just a random 50 mph sign a chunk of the road down Away to Pepipoo with you to find out more
Bonefish Blues said:
PhillA3 said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I'd be very surprised if switched on after the finish of the works. Very few of the M1 Works ones are, based on my experience
It would be harsh if it was - there where literally no road works, cones or signs - just a random 50 mph sign a chunk of the road down Away to Pepipoo with you to find out more
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