RE: Porsche 911 R images leaked
Discussion
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
I do find it all rather extraordinary the frenzy and hype that gets whipped up on these specials that are usually destined to be Art, or driven for 2 or 3,000 miles and then - would you believe it - get traded in / swapped for the next unobtainium version of the same car.
Yup, at my local car club there's a guy who turns up in a new £100k plus car a couple of times every year but never seems to go anywhere in them. 
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
If you say so, but lets be honest - the sum of the parts do not justify the costs.
I think you've said this is more exciting than the 918?
Which was a must have.
And wasn't the 3RS a must have by many ?
I do find it all rather extraordinary the frenzy and hype that gets whipped up on these specials that are usually destined to be Art, or driven for 2 or 3,000 miles and then - would you believe it - get traded in / swapped for the next unobtainium version of the same car.
All of which will also only be able to be used to maybe 70% of its potential on the roads we have surrounding us.
Not sure why I read it, but in the ST mag this weekend was a company selling jeans that were made up from two pairs of Levi's. They were dismantled, hand cut, crafted, stitched together again in a slightly different fashion or manner.
Available for £800. All sold out.
For two pairs of Levi's
Fortunately never a problem I will have to encounter. (car or £800 Levi's)
Sorry. I'll go mood hoover elsewhere.
To you they don't justify the costs [btw no price is revealed only speculation but it won't be 250£grand] and that's fine .I think you've said this is more exciting than the 918?
Which was a must have.
And wasn't the 3RS a must have by many ?
I do find it all rather extraordinary the frenzy and hype that gets whipped up on these specials that are usually destined to be Art, or driven for 2 or 3,000 miles and then - would you believe it - get traded in / swapped for the next unobtainium version of the same car.
All of which will also only be able to be used to maybe 70% of its potential on the roads we have surrounding us.
Not sure why I read it, but in the ST mag this weekend was a company selling jeans that were made up from two pairs of Levi's. They were dismantled, hand cut, crafted, stitched together again in a slightly different fashion or manner.
Available for £800. All sold out.
For two pairs of Levi's
Fortunately never a problem I will have to encounter. (car or £800 Levi's)
Sorry. I'll go mood hoover elsewhere.
My gym clothes are from 1990[ I jest not ].I've never bought jeans for 100pounds let alone 800 . I wear Alberto , 79 euros if you are interested, Levi's far too posh for me .Yet for cars I'm different .
Gt2rs ? Must have ? Nope didn't want it , same with sports classic , speedster , 991 gt3 , 997.2 gt3 , 997.2 rs , 997.1 gt3 , 50th anniversary etc etc . I prefer older stuff usually .
I loved the 918 from when I drove it first at weissach , it blew me away . Nothing to do with "must have" .' This is more usable because of its size , because it's a manual and for those times you just want to creep around . It looks like a regular 911 de stickered to 90 per cent of the population [if I get one it won't have stickers]. Absolutely nothing to do with must have, it's "want" .
Again imv it's rather uncharitable to categorise buyers of these cars automatically thus just because the spending capacity is different to someone else's . Doesn't make them any less an enthusiast ', any less a Porsche beard or nerd than you , or any more than you either . I've never flipped a car and everything I own gets used , hard [918 was at spa in the pouring rain the third day I had it and ask the London 964 boys about the jumping 73rs of doom ].
To think this is a car enthusiasts forum
Edited by wtdoom on Monday 29th February 17:12
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
hey... I am cool with what you say, and excellent in your defence. I also love the low-key-ness of this variant and such.
Perhaps we must accept that *a lot* of the purchasers would fall in to the category of such a limited car as a 'Must Have' or 'Flipper' - I would argue in fact, that it could be made much cheaper and in greater volume, and be less halo'd by doing so.
Its a funny old world, and marketing schemes and hype are what make money usually.
Peace - and I did not mean to offend you personally, if I did.
Please mr Murphy , thank you for the kind clarification . I wasn't in the slightest offended merely offerering an alternative perspective on some other buyers [more accurately some of those trying to be buyers].Perhaps we must accept that *a lot* of the purchasers would fall in to the category of such a limited car as a 'Must Have' or 'Flipper' - I would argue in fact, that it could be made much cheaper and in greater volume, and be less halo'd by doing so.
Its a funny old world, and marketing schemes and hype are what make money usually.
Peace - and I did not mean to offend you personally, if I did.
For what it's worth I actually agree with you , far too many of these cars end up in the hands of flippers and those that dont deserve them .
Another special edition Porsche which (even if you could afford) you almost certainly can't buy. Cue a thousand posts on Porsche forums discussing 'flippers', 'overs' and tedious spec details like the colour of seat belts.
Certain to be a superb drive but that'll be almost irrelevant to many who actually get one from Porsche.
Just hope a few proper (driving) enthusiasts get hold of one.
Certain to be a superb drive but that'll be almost irrelevant to many who actually get one from Porsche.
Just hope a few proper (driving) enthusiasts get hold of one.
This could possibly stop these flippers in their tracks, and that is Porsche only sell cars to individuals who have a track record of actually owning these cars, i.e. getting them serviced, and actually owning them for more than a few weeks... The other restriction is that you could write up a contract whereby the buyer would have to give half the profit of the vehicle to the supplying dealer if they sold within a certain time, eg. 12 months....
The trouble is I suspect that this current situation is very good for Porsche, and in the fullness of time allow them to bring out more highly profitable special editions.
The trouble is I suspect that this current situation is very good for Porsche, and in the fullness of time allow them to bring out more highly profitable special editions.
wtdoom said:
We need to think of a system that can be proposed to Porsche at the next customer clinic or event . I know for a fact that many are as unhappy with the flippers as we are .
Any suggestions ?
Auction the build slots (if Porsche want to make money out of it) or put names in a hat?Any suggestions ?
Could run special dealer events for the above to create even more interest/hype.
wtdoom said:
We need to think of a system that can be proposed to Porsche at the next customer clinic or event . I know for a fact that many are as unhappy with the flippers as we are .
Any suggestions ?
Don't limit the numbers on anything other than capacity - as they have done for the BMW M2. This would [probably] prevent cars being flipped for a large markup and also ensures all the true enthusiasts [who can afford one] can get hold of one.Any suggestions ?
The whole GT4 saga is classic numpty from Porsche; a £65k car (aspirational but obtainable for many) turned into a £100k car which is now unobtainable for a large proportion of people who were realistic owners at one point. A great shame.
PGNCerbera said:
....because Porsche consistently make amazing cars
And have done for more than half a century. And they have consistently worried if they can sell easily what they produce. Last 3 years - no-one could have predicted what has happened and whether it is sustainable . Higher interest rates will remove some of the speculative buying in some countries.
Ownership record matters - flipping within 3 months is usually flippers. Many cars at indies like JZM sport less than a couple of hundred miles.
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