RE: Aston Martin DB11 - Geneva 2016

[smilo996]

blaza said:

My guess is that the next 911 will be streets ahead in every way. And £50K less expensive.

The 911. Is it a GT? No
The 911. Does it option a V12? No
The 911. Does it have rear seats for adults? No
The 911. Is it made in the UK? No
The 911. Does it have 270 litres of luggage space? No
The 911. Does it have the engine out front? No
The VW, do they ever sound any good. No.

Tootle off, have your midlife crisis and buy a Porschar.

[divetheworld]

smilo996 said:

The 911. Is it a GT? No
The 911. Does it option a V12? No
The 911. Does it have rear seats for adults? No
The 911. Is it made in the UK? No
The 911. Does it have 270 litres of luggage space? No
The 911. Does it have the engine out front? No
The VW, do they ever sound any good. No.

Tootle off, have your midlife crisis and buy a Porschar.

LMAO.
That list could be so much longer too...

[Mogul]

I wasn't convinced by the launch photos but after seeing the DB11s on the stand at Geneva yesterday, I consider it as a masterpiece of contemporary design. The cutaway that they have on the stand was also fascinating as you see the vents that they have built in to channel the air in through the rear of the body.

[swisstoni]

Shame PH didn't send anyone there with a camera isn't it?

[Scuffers]

I'm guessing that costs a bit more than retyping a press release though?

[The Surveyor]

It's beautiful, a proper Aston and desirable for that alone. There will be other cars that do some things better, be lighter, be faster, but this new car continues the values of understated class started by the DB7, the DB9 and the DBS. It's very very desirable.

Thankfully they didn't take any design clues from the DB10 front...

[dom1102]

Looks a hell of a lot better in grey/silver colour than it did in Tango orange on the Geneva stand! Terrible colour for it

[Pesty]

First Aston as long as remember I don't like.

Probably change my mind in the flesh. Interior is horrible. Outside reminds me of an evora bio idea why.

[rtz62]

RichardR said:

rtz62 said:

Re the image at the top of the replies, I couldn't help but think of this Jaguar XJ Spider prototype from 1978...

Why?

Why?
Ok, apart from 'You should have gone to specsavers', probably because of the nose profile and the way that the glasshouse is set further back than is often the norm these days, ie not cab-forward.
Hope this helps you understand why...

[JGWill]

Why is this engine so underpowered for its capacity? The previous N/A V12 had incredibly low HP compared to AM's rivals but I figured this was just due to the fact it was a derivative of such an old design. This brand new unit is already down on power compared to, for example the 488 GTB, despite being so much higher capacity.

Are AM not able to produce a better performing engine for the money, or are they leaving room for a DBS/Vanquish do you think?

[Scuffers]

JGWill said:

Why is this engine so underpowered for its capacity? The previous N/A V12 had incredibly low HP compared to AM's rivals but I figured this was just due to the fact it was a derivative of such an old design. This brand new unit is already down on power compared to, for example the 488 GTB, despite being so much higher capacity.

Are AM not able to produce a better performing engine for the money, or are they leaving room for a DBS/Vanquish do you think?

emissions at a guess...

sure it can make big power, but no chance AND meet EU6

[JGWill]

I agree that 600BHP is enough, and a DB11 is certainly high up the list as a GT car for me personally, but for many it wont be due to being underpowered compared to its rivals. You can tell also that AM are rather embarrassed by it's zero to sixty time too as they refer to it as sub 4 seconds. I know people will claim it's crude and unbefitting of Aston to worry about 0-60 times, but I really want them to succeed and fear that they won't when Merc estates are quicker than them.

[RichB]

JGWill said:

I agree that 600BHP is enough, and a DB11 is certainly high up the list as a GT car for me personally, but for many it wont be due to being underpowered compared to its rivals. You can tell also that AM are rather embarrassed by it's zero to sixty time too as they refer to it as sub 4 seconds. I know people will claim it's crude and unbefitting of Aston to worry about 0-60 times, but I really want them to succeed and fear that they won't when Merc estates are quicker than them.

Just two posts in so welcome to Pistonheads! Normally people introduce themselves to give people some idea of what experience they base their comments on, kind of puts it into perspective. This could be the worst "I'll pretend I'm going to buy a DB11 but then won't because I'll say it's too slow" post in the world.

[JGWill]

RichB said:

Just two posts in so welcome to Pistonheads! Normally people introduce themselves to give people some idea of what experience they base their comments on, kind of puts it into perspective. This could be the worst "I'll pretend I'm going to buy a DB11 but then won't because I'll say it's too slow" post in the world.

I didn't claim I would or wouldn't buy one either way and haven't suggested I'm in a position to do so. I said I'd be worried others won't due to the power output. I came here asking others why it is underpowered compared to it's rivals in the hope someone may enlighten me further. It's ok if you can't.

[RichB]

Hey, I was just pulling your leg

I took "a DB11 is certainly high up the list as a GT car for me personally" to mean you were in the market for one. So, have you put anything in your profile yet?

[JGWill]

Done. I'm not sure I'll ever get to 35,000 posts, but I'll ask questions from time to time that I, and perhaps others, would be interested in having answered.

For me personally, the appeal of an Aston would be lost if the outright performance was that of, for example, Ferrari, because it would no longer be the choice you make for reasons other that being the fastest etc. I do however wonder if AM are capable of producing more power from this engine or not. With the lack of a manual, and no longer N/A, it's only the bespoke nature of the vehicle that justifies it being £80k more than a faster German super saloon.

[RichB]

Personally performance doesn't come into it. One of my cars will just about crack the sub 4 secs to 60 benchmark and for me that's fast enough. While supercars and hypercars are hitting the sub 3 second mark for a saloon or large GT I feel that's just insane. No one goes tearing off from the lights pretending to be Sebastian vettel in such cars. Maybe I'm getting old (well I am) but I subscribe to the Bentley (or was it Rolls Royce - I told you I was getting old) adage that performance should be described as adequate. Now if I were buying a Porsche 918 Spyder I'd be getting quite excited at a 2.6 0-60 time and a 10 second qtr mile but in an Aston? Nah, not bothered, there's more important things to worry about.

[swisstoni]

I don't believe Astons are aimed at people who have to have the fastest thing on the road.
Astons are about luxury, style and then performance. Mature adults basically.

[Zod]

smilo996 said:

blaza said:

My guess is that the next 911 will be streets ahead in every way. And £50K less expensive.

The 911. Is it a GT? No
The 911. Does it option a V12? No
The 911. Does it have rear seats for adults? No
The 911. Is it made in the UK? No
The 911. Does it have 270 litres of luggage space? No
The 911. Does it have the engine out front? No
The VW, do they ever sound any good. No.

Tootle off, have your midlife crisis and buy a Porschar.

Rear seats for adults? Er, no.

[Scuffers]

swisstoni said:

I don't believe Astons are aimed at people who have to have the fastest thing on the road.
Astons are about luxury, style and then performance. Mature adults basically.

used to be, they smack of footballer to me these days, much like Bentley.

last real Aston:

Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 8th March 18:56