RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review
Discussion
Konrod said:
That's one customer lost then. I'll have to go German when I replace the XF as all I want is a large estate car, not an overpriced, jacked up SUV. Pity really as the XF has been ultra reliable, comfortable and quick.
What I don't get is why Jaguar can only do one or the other - Merc/Audi/BMW do both in that segment.
I bought a showroom one they needed to get rid off before the new XF came in when I heard they wouldn't be doing an XF sportbrake again. I know they just don't shift the volumes to justify them but it's truly a loss imho. Their sedans are tailored to the Asian and US market obviously, and this would be for us. What I don't get is why Jaguar can only do one or the other - Merc/Audi/BMW do both in that segment.
Adam Ansel said:
Jaguar used a brand new aluminium chassis in the X350 XJ and carried it over to the current X351. They even have identical wheelbases at 119.4 inches. An evolution of this went on to the X150 XK. It wasn't used on the first XF because Jaguar didn't have enough money, so just re-skinned the S Type. In the XJ this chassis was susceptible to going banana shaped after minor rear shunts, which led to many otherwise good cars being written off.
The F Type was a considerable rethink, Jaguar called it their 4th generation aluminium technology, a bit of hyperbole. It features a double front bulkhead amongst many other refinements. The 2015 XE and XF are merely developments of the F type. The F-Pace is just another reskin of the same underpinnings. Giving Jaguar 4 models with fairly modern aluminium underpinnings and the XJ, with a chassis dating back to 2003.
The beginning bit was right, but this is in error. The X350/351 isn't related to the X150/151/152 sports cars, and the new XE and XF are on a completely new aluminium platform unrelated to either the sports cars or XJs.The F Type was a considerable rethink, Jaguar called it their 4th generation aluminium technology, a bit of hyperbole. It features a double front bulkhead amongst many other refinements. The 2015 XE and XF are merely developments of the F type. The F-Pace is just another reskin of the same underpinnings. Giving Jaguar 4 models with fairly modern aluminium underpinnings and the XJ, with a chassis dating back to 2003.
What I can't get over is the width of the thing. It's ridiculous. I can envisage proles' cars being scraped left, right and centre in Waitrose...
For a car supposedly set up for the UK it is lacking proper proportions. I've already noticed a few XE drivers wincing or failing to commit to manoeuvres due to that car's width, this will be even worse.
For a car supposedly set up for the UK it is lacking proper proportions. I've already noticed a few XE drivers wincing or failing to commit to manoeuvres due to that car's width, this will be even worse.
LongLiveTazio said:
What I can't get over is the width of the thing. It's ridiculous. I can envisage proles' cars being scraped left, right and centre in Waitrose...
For a car supposedly set up for the UK it is lacking proper proportions. I've already noticed a few XE drivers wincing or failing to commit to manoeuvres due to that car's width, this will be even worse.
XE's dimension are nearly identical to the X-type, a few mm's here and there but that's it.For a car supposedly set up for the UK it is lacking proper proportions. I've already noticed a few XE drivers wincing or failing to commit to manoeuvres due to that car's width, this will be even worse.
LongLiveTazio said:
What I can't get over is the width of the thing. It's ridiculous. I can envisage proles' cars being scraped left, right and centre in Waitrose...
For a car supposedly set up for the UK it is lacking proper proportions. I've already noticed a few XE drivers wincing or failing to commit to manoeuvres due to that car's width, this will be even worse.
I agree on the F-pace.For a car supposedly set up for the UK it is lacking proper proportions. I've already noticed a few XE drivers wincing or failing to commit to manoeuvres due to that car's width, this will be even worse.
But the XE? There's tonnes of cars wider than the XE. Cars are just relatively wide these days.
It could have something to do with stuff like this though:
I saw the F-Pace at the NY motorshow last week, & was pleasantly surprised at what a handsome beast it is. However, I nailed down one of the guys on the (shared with LR) stand & asked why JLR make 5 SUVs, some nice saloons & great sports cars BUT NO ESTATES. He said the marketing department have decided that they don't need to.... That's a shame I said, unfortunatly I won't be buying a new JLR product anytime soon.
luckystrike said:
Adam Ansel said:
Jaguar used a brand new aluminium chassis in the X350 XJ and carried it over to the current X351. They even have identical wheelbases at 119.4 inches. An evolution of this went on to the X150 XK. It wasn't used on the first XF because Jaguar didn't have enough money, so just re-skinned the S Type. In the XJ this chassis was susceptible to going banana shaped after minor rear shunts, which led to many otherwise good cars being written off.
The F Type was a considerable rethink, Jaguar called it their 4th generation aluminium technology, a bit of hyperbole. It features a double front bulkhead amongst many other refinements. The 2015 XE and XF are merely developments of the F type. The F-Pace is just another reskin of the same underpinnings. Giving Jaguar 4 models with fairly modern aluminium underpinnings and the XJ, with a chassis dating back to 2003.
The beginning bit was right, but this is in error. The X350/351 isn't related to the X150/151/152 sports cars, and the new XE and XF are on a completely new aluminium platform unrelated to either the sports cars or XJs.The F Type was a considerable rethink, Jaguar called it their 4th generation aluminium technology, a bit of hyperbole. It features a double front bulkhead amongst many other refinements. The 2015 XE and XF are merely developments of the F type. The F-Pace is just another reskin of the same underpinnings. Giving Jaguar 4 models with fairly modern aluminium underpinnings and the XJ, with a chassis dating back to 2003.
I DID think that Gen 2 XK (X150) was a chopped-down XJ (X350/X351) but maybe wrong.
F-Type (X152) IS a chopped-down XK (X150).
F-pace, XE & Current (New) XF are all on the same new platform.
griffdude said:
I saw the F-Pace at the NY motorshow last week, & was pleasantly surprised at what a handsome beast it is. However, I nailed down one of the guys on the (shared with LR) stand & asked why JLR make 5 SUVs, some nice saloons & great sports cars BUT NO ESTATES. He said the marketing department have decided that they don't need to.... That's a shame I said, unfortunatly I won't be buying a new JLR product anytime soon.
The Americans started to get SUVs well before we did, they replaced their 'wagons'. The extra running costs didn't really matter to them, only 15 years ago you could fill any car 'Down at Big Al's Gas station on the corner of West 30th and 11th Avenue for $19." Also, with their wider roads, bigger parking spaces (at 45º angles too) and a 55mph speed limit in most states the SUVs were worth trying over a wagon/estate. Not many went back to wagons, hence why you struggle to buy them over there, they simply are not offered.
Now we have the option of SUVs that have a footprint no bigger than their estate brother, with drag no worse and MPG only a few behind the estate, we are seeing more and more over here too.
Audi said they expect 50% of all sales to be SUVs by 2020, Ford said even they expect SUV sales to be at 40% by 2020, and they don't even have many do they?
Like it or not, us estate drivers are going to struggle to find the models we like.
I have just gone back to an estate from an SUV, if someone offered me any estate or SUV of my choice tomorrow, money no object, after living with the SUV for 3 years I wouldn't chose another estate.
Hoover. said:
Pricing looks wrong to me........ entry level to cheap, so will probably get a fair few on the road...which will then put off the ones looking at the top of range...... well it would me if I were spending £50k on a motor.
Agreed, if you want the 3 litre diesel you're talking £50k plus. I would be tempted by that engine in a more modest trim level for, say, £44k.
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