RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review
Discussion
"The most important new car Jaguar has ever made" .....since err the last new car they made ...
ZesPak said:
gweaver said:
I can't understand how the name got approved. It's like Espace with a lisp.
Agreed, also it doesn't say anything. No relation to the current range whatsoever. The name it resembles most is the F-Type, the car which it has the least relation with.I like what merc did with their SUV lineup ->
A -> GLA
C -> GLC
E -> GLE
S -> GLS
Jaguar could have done something similar:
XE -> XE-Pace for example.
fezst said:
Its amazing reading some of the replies and hearing all of the moaning about various things to do with the F-Pace.
lol. And one finds such whinging on almost every thread that isn't about a BMW M car, a slice of British nostalgia, some supercar made of unobtainium, or anything to which a tonneau cannot be fitted.My favourite moan-fest here on PH is the many armchair engineers and analysts. If manufacturers would only consult them, there would be fewer product failures. When will those dim manufacturers ever learn?!
spudgun GB said:
XE's dimension are nearly identical to the X-type, a few mm's here and there but that's it.
It's 1967mm wide with mirrors folded, which is obese. The X-Type was 1789mm, which is almost 20cm narrower - and when that model Mondeo was launched people thought it was a relatively large car! It's considerably wider than a BMW X5, for example, which isn't exactly a small car. Mirrors are much less of an issue than its 'real' width, as it were. I find it all the more amazing considering it's not an especially spacious car - something like an Octavia wipes the floor with it. They just don't make their cars for Britain, regardless of all the 'tested on Welsh roads' bumpf. I don't blame them as they sell in China, the US etc., but it just irks me that the JLR PR machine seems to do so well in the motoring press: 'Here's a list of serious flaws but it's the best car in its class, honestly.'
LongLiveTazio said:
It's 1967mm wide with mirrors folded, which is obese. The X-Type was 1789mm, which is almost 20cm narrower - and when that model Mondeo was launched people thought it was a relatively large car! It's considerably wider than a BMW X5, for example, which isn't exactly a small car. Mirrors are much less of an issue than its 'real' width, as it were.
I find it all the more amazing considering it's not an especially spacious car - something like an Octavia wipes the floor with it. They just don't make their cars for Britain, regardless of all the 'tested on Welsh roads' bumpf. I don't blame them as they sell in China, the US etc., but it just irks me that the JLR PR machine seems to do so well in the motoring press: 'Here's a list of serious flaws but it's the best car in its class, honestly.'
If you feel not up to piloting such a wide car just don't buy one.I find it all the more amazing considering it's not an especially spacious car - something like an Octavia wipes the floor with it. They just don't make their cars for Britain, regardless of all the 'tested on Welsh roads' bumpf. I don't blame them as they sell in China, the US etc., but it just irks me that the JLR PR machine seems to do so well in the motoring press: 'Here's a list of serious flaws but it's the best car in its class, honestly.'
I find it incredible how much bile every JLR launch is met with. It used to be weight now its width, it used to be they wouldn't drive as well as the Germans now its how much hard plastic they have in the interior.
There are plenty of other cars available, get rid of the chip on your shoulder, buy one of those and stop whining about a non-issue.
btom said:
If you feel not up to piloting such a wide car just don't buy one.
I find it incredible how much bile every JLR launch is met with. It used to be weight now its width, it used to be they wouldn't drive as well as the Germans now its how much hard plastic they have in the interior.
There are plenty of other cars available, get rid of the chip on your shoulder, buy one of those and stop whining about a non-issue.
Yes, I've never driven a wide car, I'm terribly worried about the width of a Jaguar that I'll never buy. I find it incredible how much bile every JLR launch is met with. It used to be weight now its width, it used to be they wouldn't drive as well as the Germans now its how much hard plastic they have in the interior.
There are plenty of other cars available, get rid of the chip on your shoulder, buy one of those and stop whining about a non-issue.
It has nothing to do with having a chip on my shoulder, nor have I been a naysayer in the past. Criticism isn't outlawed on PH and I imagine people on here do actually care about dimensions, weights etc. as they are crucial to the driving experience of something that is touting to be better than its rivals. As for bile, I'm not sure where my posts were particularly hate-filled?
If every comment about a car on PH was met with 'buy another then' there would be no discussion at all. I just find it ironic that Jaguar now make mass-market cars that are basically as wide as an XJ220 which was slagged off by the motoring press for being... Yes, too wide.
LongLiveTazio said:
Yes, I've never driven a wide car, I'm terribly worried about the width of a Jaguar that I'll never buy.
It has nothing to do with having a chip on my shoulder, nor have I been a naysayer in the past. Criticism isn't outlawed on PH and I imagine people on here do actually care about dimensions, weights etc. as they are crucial to the driving experience of something that is touting to be better than its rivals. As for bile, I'm not sure where my posts were particularly hate-filled?
If every comment about a car on PH was met with 'buy another then' there would be no discussion at all. I just find it ironic that Jaguar now make mass-market cars that are basically as wide as an XJ220 which was slagged off by the motoring press for being... Yes, too wide.
Oh give over... it's no wider than any of it's rivals. Thank NCAP safety tests for wide modern cars.It has nothing to do with having a chip on my shoulder, nor have I been a naysayer in the past. Criticism isn't outlawed on PH and I imagine people on here do actually care about dimensions, weights etc. as they are crucial to the driving experience of something that is touting to be better than its rivals. As for bile, I'm not sure where my posts were particularly hate-filled?
If every comment about a car on PH was met with 'buy another then' there would be no discussion at all. I just find it ironic that Jaguar now make mass-market cars that are basically as wide as an XJ220 which was slagged off by the motoring press for being... Yes, too wide.
Jaguar F-Pace
Width: 76.2 inches
Jaguar F-type
Width: 75.7 in
Ford Mustang
Width: 75.4 in
Ford Transit
Width: 83.7 in
LongLiveTazio said:
As for bile, I'm not sure where my posts were particularly hate-filled?
Mmmmm:LongLiveTazio earlier said said:
I can envisage proles' cars being scraped left, right and centre in Waitrose...
This IS a discussion forum, I just don't get some peoples need to preach to others about why their personal preferences/failings should matter to them. We have our Fpace coming next month and whilst I don't give a rats ass about what others think about my choice of car I'm getting a little tired at not being able to read any review without comments from people who either have a hardwired dislike for SUVs or rant about JLR's supposed failings and not the actual product in question.
Anyway we get Ocardo to deliver.
skyrover said:
Oh give over... it's no wider than any of it's rivals. Thank NCAP safety tests for wide modern cars.
Jaguar F-Pace
Width: 76.2 inches
Jaguar F-type
Width: 75.7 in
Ford Mustang
Width: 75.4 in
Ford Transit
Width: 83.7 in
Erm, not sure where you're plucking those figures from but the F-Pace is 85.6" mirrors out, 81.5" folded. It's got nothing to do with NCAP, which isn't even mandatory. It will be because they've engineered it for two continents where might is right. A Honda Jazz is one of the best performing cars in NCAP history and is hardly a tank - good engineering is good engineering. I'm honestly not fussed whether people think it's an issue or not but don't quote inaccurate figures.Jaguar F-Pace
Width: 76.2 inches
Jaguar F-type
Width: 75.7 in
Ford Mustang
Width: 75.4 in
Ford Transit
Width: 83.7 in
btom said:
This IS a discussion forum, I just don't get some peoples need to preach to others about why their personal preferences/failings should matter to them.
We have our Fpace coming next month and whilst I don't give a rats ass about what others think about my choice of car I'm getting a little tired at not being able to read any review without comments from people who either have a hardwired dislike for SUVs or rant about JLR's supposed failings and not the actual product in question.
Anyway we get Ocardo to deliver.
Hardly hate-filled, just an observation. My local Waitrose is an older store with a very tight car park. It is absolutely packed with people driving badly in oversized cars that they cannot properly manoeuvre. Bumps are fairly regular and I imagine you'll see a load on oversized alloys that are kerbed within minutes. We have our Fpace coming next month and whilst I don't give a rats ass about what others think about my choice of car I'm getting a little tired at not being able to read any review without comments from people who either have a hardwired dislike for SUVs or rant about JLR's supposed failings and not the actual product in question.
Anyway we get Ocardo to deliver.
I don't have a hardwired dislike for SUVs, as they offer several practical reasons to buy one. In some segments they are the best choice for some people given context. However, near me you'd be better off with an A4 Allroad or Octavia Scout and get a better driving car in the bargain with lower emissions, more performance, better economy etc. - all of which are things that car companies are striving towards bettering and shout about quite a lot. The biggest elephant in the room for me is the Discovery Sport, because unless you go for the V6 I don't see what the point is for paying more for less practicality.
However, I've seen the F-Pace in the flesh and it's a very handsome car so I'm sure you'll enjoy it. It's just not my cup of tea and no offence is intended. I don't intend to sound preachy, I was just very surprised when I saw the dimensions. Cheers.
The Surveyor said:
I like the look of this, and it looks like another decent product from Jaguar Land Rover.
One thing I can't quite understand is why they felt the need for a Jaguar branded SUV when the Land Rover / Range Rover brand is so strong? Surly this will take sales from the Lower spec Range Rover Sport, or the upper spec Evoque / Discovery Sport.
Regardless, I'd have one.
But you don't already own a Land Rover. I think that's the point...One thing I can't quite understand is why they felt the need for a Jaguar branded SUV when the Land Rover / Range Rover brand is so strong? Surly this will take sales from the Lower spec Range Rover Sport, or the upper spec Evoque / Discovery Sport.
Regardless, I'd have one.
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