RE: Porsche 718 Cayman - official

[Technomad]

Sam All said:

They will drop the Cayman in a year or two

W.T.A.F? Whatever happened to elegant minimalism? If it's going to say anything across the back, make it ONE of 718 or Cayman. It really doesn't need to say Porsche in letters and lighting stolen from Great Yarmouth sea front. That, four cylinders in the Cayman/Boxster and turbocharging in the 911. Sorry, they've lost me. Makes my gen2 997 a keeper. In twenty years, I hope to still be running it on high days and holidays - subject to the allowable petrol quota - alongside my Tesla 4.0.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Vitorio said:

LotusOmega375D said:

I wonder what percentage of the regular model will actually be bought for no more than the £39,878 list price?

Id probably be fine with the base model, although i'd want a different colour and cruise control (kinda shocked that CC isnt standard...)

It seems that not much comes as standard with any Porsche, but that is just the nature of the beast.

[Lowtimer]

Nice to see a thread where the first post wasn't shock and horror about the price, which seems to me to be highly reasonable.

Interesting that the last 4-cylinder turbo Porsche coupe and convertible on general sale cost just about the same in cash terms as todays' 300 hp 718 Cayman. My own 1990 944 Turbo coupe cost more than £40K new, and the run-out edition of the 944 Turbo cabrio had a list price of £46,994, which was a lot of money in 1990.

Cars sure are cheap these days.

[shost]

Lowtimer said:

Nice to see a thread where the first post wasn't shock and horror about the price, which seems to me to be highly reasonable.

Interesting that the last 4-cylinder turbo Porsche coupe and convertible on general sale cost just about the same in cash terms as todays' 300 hp 718 Cayman. My own 1990 944 Turbo coupe cost more than £40K new, and the run-out edition of the 944 Turbo cabrio had a list price of £46,994, which was a lot of money in 1990.

Cars sure are cheap these days.

Not so sure it's cheap as such. Option chassis upgrades you'd arguably expect like LSD, active suspension, and sport chrono and few toys inside then it easily gets up to mid to high 50s. Simple things like parking sensors are a fortune on the configuration vs rivals. The luxury nits like sports seats and decent wheels push price up considerably.

[Lowtimer]

Still cheap, and apart from the LSD (which was standard on 1990 and 91 Turbos) none of the other stuff was even available (or necessary) so doesn't play any part in alike-for-like comparison.

Average nominal annual earnings in the UK in 1990 were £10,601, in 2015 they were £25.028. The old car cast between four and five times average earnings, the new one costs only twice average earnings.

Edited by Lowtimer on Monday 25th April 12:10

[Vitorio]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I just wondered whether Porsche made the Cayman so good, they were concerned it would take sales away from their flagship 911`s. and made the changes to `distance' the Cayman from the 911? Just a thought.

That plus the whole carbon emissions crap i guess

As for the cayman vs 911 stuff, personally i think the cayman is a much more interesting car, engine in the right place, half the price and still bloody fast. Quite a shame that its been held back by porsche in terms of performance.

[Dale487]

Lowtimer said:

Still cheap, and apart from the LSD (which was standard on 1990 and 91 Turbos) none of the other stuff was even available (or necessary) so doesn't play any part in alike-for-like comparison.

Edited by Lowtimer on Monday 25th April 12:06

So using that logic the Cayman & Boxster are comparative bargains as there has been no price movement in 25 years whilst the Golf GTI has gone from a £20K car to north of £27K in less than half the time.

[Nerdherder]

DonkeyApple said:

How does this taxation actually work though?

Porsche SE has the VW up to lower its group average and it sells millions of low CO2 cars a year. The Cayman could emit what it likes and have no impact at all on Porsche's data.

But I guess this is more about the individual tightening of CO2 restrictions on key global cities and the need to keep pumping out product to people who can't afford to pay the increased charges for using certain types of cars where they live?

Ergo, enthusiasts end up paying the price to enable brand ambassadors to buy in.

Example: Here in NL the tax difference between 981/718 will definitely pull more people into prospective Cayman/Boxster territory.

andy97 said:

But how do we know that Porsche aren't planning a 4 pot turbo for the 911?

I meant 'base' turbo smaller capacity, 'S' Larger/more powerful then base NA engine in my imaginary category strategy. 911 needs to be a six of course.

[aeropilot]

andy97 said:

But how do we know that Porsche aren't planning a 4 pot turbo for the 911?

It may be that the days of the n/a flat 6 are numbered.

Pretty much gone already for the mainstream Porsche's.

GT3/GT4 must be the last remaining n/a...??

[Pan Pan Pan]

Vitorio said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

I just wondered whether Porsche made the Cayman so good, they were concerned it would take sales away from their flagship 911`s. and made the changes to `distance' the Cayman from the 911? Just a thought.

That plus the whole carbon emissions crap i guess

As for the cayman vs 911 stuff, personally i think the cayman is a much more interesting car, engine in the right place, half the price and still bloody fast. Quite a shame that its been held back by porsche in terms of performance.

Agreed. I saw an article a while ago where the motoring journalist ended by saying : The Cayman was all the Porsche most drivers would ever need.

[Lowtimer]

Dale487 said:

So using that logic the Cayman & Boxster are comparative bargains as there has been no price movement in 25 years whilst the Golf GTI has gone from a £20K car to north of £27K in less than half the time.

Yes, they are.

[thecremeegg]

Lowtimer said:

Nice to see a thread where the first post wasn't shock and horror about the price, which seems to me to be highly reasonable.

Interesting that the last 4-cylinder turbo Porsche coupe and convertible on general sale cost just about the same in cash terms as todays' 300 hp 718 Cayman. My own 1990 944 Turbo coupe cost more than £40K new, and the run-out edition of the 944 Turbo cabrio had a list price of £46,994, which was a lot of money in 1990.

Cars sure are cheap these days.

That price will include NOTHING that you would expect as standard - you're looking at £15k of extras realistically

[Blown2CV]

shoestring7 said:

Tuna said:

shoestring7 said:

I may well order one.

I'm not buying a 'lifestyle',

If you are talking about ordering one before you've sat in it, or even seen reviews of the final product, you're buying a lifestyle.

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

SS7

agreed. It's possible to order a car without having driven it, I've done it a few times. It's not a style or image concern, just being assured of what sort of cars you like, and being diligent with understanding what the car is.

[Blown2CV]

they just need some Golf R style deals and they'll be the next big thing!

[cossey]

DonkeyApple said:

How does this taxation actually work though?

Porsche SE has the VW up to lower its group average and it sells millions of low CO2 cars a year. The Cayman could emit what it likes and have no impact at all on Porsche's data.

But I guess this is more about the individual tightening of CO2 restrictions on key global cities and the need to keep pumping out product to people who can't afford to pay the increased charges for using certain types of cars where they live?

Ergo, enthusiasts end up paying the price to enable brand ambassadors to buy in.

The VW group is a long way from meeting the ever tightening CO2 regs though. They are the worst of the major groups and by the time they hit the next big step in 2021 will be looking at >1bn € per year of fines (assuming they actually deliver their new engines on time, they are currently delay a lot of projects whilst they clear up the issues with the current models).

The boxster/cayman is not a halo car so not worth the expense and possible political backlash of being even further behind the competition.

[Lowtimer]

thecremeegg said:

That price will include NOTHING that you would expect as standard - you're looking at £15k of extras realistically

The 718 Cayman configurator doesn't seem to be up yet but having just looked at the Boxster version the only thing I want on it is the limited slip diff at £890 (however it suggests they won't sell me unless I have PASM, which I don't want).

Apart from various paint colours there's literally nothing else on else on whole options list which:
1. ...I have any interest in paying for
2. ...is fitted to my 944 Turbo
3. ...was even available as an option in 1990

So I'm looking at £890 of extras or if they won't sell a limited slip diff without other stuff, then zero at the Porsche dealership and £855 for a Quaife ATB.

[FurballS2000]

thecremeegg said:

Lowtimer said:

Nice to see a thread where the first post wasn't shock and horror about the price, which seems to me to be highly reasonable.

Interesting that the last 4-cylinder turbo Porsche coupe and convertible on general sale cost just about the same in cash terms as todays' 300 hp 718 Cayman. My own 1990 944 Turbo coupe cost more than £40K new, and the run-out edition of the 944 Turbo cabrio had a list price of £46,994, which was a lot of money in 1990.

Cars sure are cheap these days.

That price will include NOTHING that you would expect as standard - you're looking at £15k of extras realistically

You can spec the Boxster S up from about £50-85k

[Nerdherder]

Lowtimer said:

The 718 Cayman configurator doesn't seem to be up yet but having just looked at the Boxster version the only thing I want on it is the limited slip diff at £890 (however it suggests they won't sell me unless I have PASM, which I don't want).

Apart from various paint colours there's literally nothing else on else on whole options list which:
1. ...I have any interest in paying for
2. ...is fitted to my 944 Turbo
3. ...was even available as an option in 1990

So I'm looking at £890 of extras or if they won't sell a limited slip diff without other stuff, then zero at the Porsche dealership and £855 for a Quaife ATB.

That'll be the "Mechanischer Hinterachs-Quersperre" included in the Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) option under the Transmission / Chassis section. Already shows on the German configurator. ...@ 1309€. The lim. slip diff has been part of PTV for a while now. "Gesteuerte Bremseingriffe" also included.

Edited by Nerdherder on Monday 25th April 13:23

[Tuna]

Blown2CV said:

agreed. It's possible to order a car without having driven it, I've done it a few times. It's not a style or image concern, just being assured of what sort of cars you like, and being diligent with understanding what the car is.

Oh, I've no trouble with buying a car without driving it. In this case it was the fact that we've not even seen a production model of an entirely reworked car that surprised me. I've never yet known a brand (of anything) I trust well enough to be certain their next product is going to be as good as their previous one. Especially when the market is clearly forcing some big changes on their offerings.

[Valgar]

I think it looks great, at the base price it's reasonably priced too, but it's still missing 2 cylinders and for some like me that would be a barrier, would've been better to have a choice like the mustang.

I'd buy a 2nd hand Alfa 4c at that price and have a car that probably won't ever depreciate.