Define Hot Hatch
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MikeTFSI said:
Simple,
Hot hatch is a performance orientated hatchback that is designed to be significantly faster than the standard models in the range. Possibly compromised with respect to ride and subtlety, but designed to be used daily.
A warm hatch is a performance orientated model that is not necessarily fast, but often quicker than an average car.
A hyper hatch is a ridiculously fast model that will keep sports cars and even some supercars honest.
Hot hatch is a performance orientated hatchback that is designed to be significantly faster than the standard models in the range. Possibly compromised with respect to ride and subtlety, but designed to be used daily.
A warm hatch is a performance orientated model that is not necessarily fast, but often quicker than an average car.
A hyper hatch is a ridiculously fast model that will keep sports cars and even some supercars honest.
daemon said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
seats 4-5 adults
has a hatchback
pokey engine must be transverse
spoilers
front wheel drive or front biased four wheel drive
small or mid size european body
So a 135i isnt a hot hatch?has a hatchback
pokey engine must be transverse
spoilers
front wheel drive or front biased four wheel drive
small or mid size european body
Can't see why being RWD and longitudinally engined should prevent it from being one. I don't see how not having a spoiler so that its lines are not spoiled should have anything to do with it.
I find that my M135i is very much a hot hatch, not that I give a shyte .
MikeTFSI said:
Simple,
Hot hatch is a performance orientated hatchback that is designed to be significantly faster than the standard models in the range. Possibly compromised with respect to ride and subtlety, but designed to be used daily.
It's a question of how compromised for me. At what point does the ride/practicality become so poor that it ceases to be a hot hatch and becomes a niche product? The mk2 focus RS for me is too hard to be a daily and so , whilst special, is something else. (Having just had a blast in a mk3 RS I think perhaps it is comfortable enough to qualify). Hot hatch is a performance orientated hatchback that is designed to be significantly faster than the standard models in the range. Possibly compromised with respect to ride and subtlety, but designed to be used daily.
Truckosaurus said:
Blayney said:
Why not?
They are all much better than mere hot hatchbacks.135i is RWD.
Clio V6 is as much a hatchback as the Cayman pictured earlier.
Escort Cosworth is a Rally-Rep similar to contemporary Imprezas, Evos or Integrales (all available in 5dr forms)
Here's why...
Truckosaurus said:
Interesting call on the Chevette. I'd say it, and the Lotus Sunbeam, were the 'rally reps' of their day.
Ooh, didn't look at it that way. I put it to you, then... that being a rally-rep does not necessarily exclude a car from also being a hot-hatch.I shall now go away to try and think of a car that is a rally-rep AND a hot hatch unequivocally...
Lancia Delta Integrale... both a rally rep and a hot hatch.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offici...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/best-ho...
http://www.classiccarchasers.com/#!Ultimate-Hot-Ha...
and 3 sources which list it as the greatest hot hatch ever.
I look forward to the response
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offici...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/best-ho...
http://www.classiccarchasers.com/#!Ultimate-Hot-Ha...
and 3 sources which list it as the greatest hot hatch ever.
I look forward to the response
Truckosaurus said:
They are all much better than mere hot hatchbacks.
I wasn't using any measure of ability as a factor in hot hatches - you can have good hot hatches, you can have bad hot hatches, you can have exceptional hot hatches, same as you can have good saloons, you can have bad saloons, you can have exceptional saloons - a car's fundamental 'goodness' (or lack of) does not render it inadmissable.Truckosaurus said:
135i is RWD.
Yes, so is the 116d; why can't a hatchback be RWD?Truckosaurus said:
Clio V6 is as much a hatchback as the Cayman pictured earlier.
As I said, that one's divisive. It's still a hatchback, based on a mass-produced model (albeit heavily revised).Truckosaurus said:
Escort Cosworth is a Rally-Rep similar to contemporary Imprezas, Evos or Integrales (all available in 5dr forms)
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