"Diesel VED could rise by £800"
Discussion
k-ink said:
If the average world temperature rises too much the permafrost will melt and release vast quantities of methane. This will be hundreds of times worse than current car pollution emissions. Thus we are headed towards a point of no return. It has been stated by scientist that we may then enter a very poor situation which will last for tens of thousands of years, no matter how we react afterwards.
Selfish idiots running diesels with no DPF are just helping us get there even faster. Kind of takes the edge of enjoying a hoon about.
Wait.. what? Diesels churn out less greenhouse gas than a Petrol car?!Selfish idiots running diesels with no DPF are just helping us get there even faster. Kind of takes the edge of enjoying a hoon about.
Diesels churn out larger particulates than a petrol car, and more NOx.. Petrol cars churn out a shedload more CO2 and hydrocarbons. They are both bad, but the media is suddenly telling you diesels are evil.. its not really news! It just wasn't in the mainstream media when VED began being based on CO2, though it WAS in the media.
So those "selfish idiots" are contributing less to global warming with their DPFs intact or not. Maybe the "Selfish idiots" who are hooning about in their petrol cars should stop hooning?
Green pump or black, they are both environment damaging fossil fuels when used on a mass scale.. If we all jump back to petrol the way we did to Diesel, the government/media will simply demonise petrol owners again.
Its like choosing between Trump and Clinton! You're a fool to think either is "good".
Edited by tejr on Thursday 5th May 15:11
k-ink said:
Mate you are talking nonsense. People measure the pollution 24/7 at the poles. Current air is compared to ice cores. There has been constant streams of data going back a very long time. For example, it was clearly measured when CFCs were in use, then different readings before and after. It is black and white data. There is no arguing on our effects.
Well there is, because very little is proven without reasonable doubt. And even some of the measuring efforts have been flawed, with margins of error bigger than the changes they claimed where happening.Edited by k-ink on Thursday 5th May 15:04
I'm quite happy to accept evidence, I'm actually a qualified geologist, although don't work in that area.
But I'm yet to see anything definitive for the most part. And I'm sure if I drive home tonight in a diesel car, it'll do no more home than driving home in a petrol one.
This just proves you can't rely on people to make a change based upon having a social conscience. People in general want to carry on as they wish. It is always someone or something else's fault. The answer must lie in someone else doing something to fix the problem. The only thing people on the whole take seriously is their money. So if the world is to be cleaned up you must force people's behaviour via taxes.
herewego said:
There can't be anybody left who thinks volcanoes emit more CO2 than mankind surely.
Well Pinatubo wasn't a particularly large eruption in the scale of things, yet it carries some impressive figures:web said:
with a total mass of SO2 of about 17,000,000 t (19,000,000 short tons) being injected—the largest volume ever recorded by modern instruments (see chart and figure).
This very large stratospheric injection resulted in a reduction in the normal amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface by roughly 10% (see figure).
This led to a decrease in northern hemisphere average temperatures of 0.5–0.6 °C (0.9–1.1 °F) and a global fall of about 0.4 °C (0.7 °F).
At the same time, the temperature in the stratosphere rose to several degrees higher than normal, due to absorption of radiation by the aerosol. The stratospheric cloud from the eruption persisted in the atmosphere for three years after the eruption.
The eruption had a significant effect on ozone levels in the atmosphere, causing a large increase in the destruction rate of ozone. Ozone levels at mid-latitudes reached their lowest recorded levels, while in the southern hemisphere winter of 1992, the ozone hole over Antarctica reached its largest ever size until then, with the fastest recorded ozone depletion rates.
This very large stratospheric injection resulted in a reduction in the normal amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface by roughly 10% (see figure).
This led to a decrease in northern hemisphere average temperatures of 0.5–0.6 °C (0.9–1.1 °F) and a global fall of about 0.4 °C (0.7 °F).
At the same time, the temperature in the stratosphere rose to several degrees higher than normal, due to absorption of radiation by the aerosol. The stratospheric cloud from the eruption persisted in the atmosphere for three years after the eruption.
The eruption had a significant effect on ozone levels in the atmosphere, causing a large increase in the destruction rate of ozone. Ozone levels at mid-latitudes reached their lowest recorded levels, while in the southern hemisphere winter of 1992, the ozone hole over Antarctica reached its largest ever size until then, with the fastest recorded ozone depletion rates.
Mr GrimNasty said:
HustleRussell said:
An embarrassing U-turn but a necessary one. I sympathize a little with the tight folk who drive diesels but I’m glad they’re on their way out.
It's not necessary at all. It won't make a scrap of real-world difference to anything.
I remember you from one of the other environmental pollution threads...I wonder if our car taxes will start to look more like those in Europe? Denmark pay 180% tax on new purchases. Many other countries charge a fortune for annual car tax.
How much would you have to be charged to think about giving up or sharing your car with a family member? i.e. to convert you from the typical two car family to a one car family? Would £2000 per year do it? £5000?
How much would you have to be charged to think about giving up or sharing your car with a family member? i.e. to convert you from the typical two car family to a one car family? Would £2000 per year do it? £5000?
I complained years ago about stinky diesel and then argued against the diesel is good policy.
I gave in about 4 years ago when we bought an Evoque diesel. Since then we now have a Disco 4 and an MB 320 CDI.
The CDI takes me to work which us 740 mile door to door in one tank of diesel.
I wonder how long it would take me in an electric car.
I enjoy driving my petrol cars and my diesel ones. :-)
I gave in about 4 years ago when we bought an Evoque diesel. Since then we now have a Disco 4 and an MB 320 CDI.
The CDI takes me to work which us 740 mile door to door in one tank of diesel.
I wonder how long it would take me in an electric car.
I enjoy driving my petrol cars and my diesel ones. :-)
AnneTeak said:
Poopipe said:
It's still free to tax if it's electric.
Everything else is 140quid a year to tax.
Those of us driving round in 2litre turbo petrol cars are going to pay less than this year.
Everyone who bought a diesel cos it was 30quid a year to tax is going to b
h about having to pay more than this year.
Slight mix up of facts there. It only applies to cars registered after the 1st April 2017, cars before that remain as they are now (+/- inflation).Everything else is 140quid a year to tax.
Those of us driving round in 2litre turbo petrol cars are going to pay less than this year.
Everyone who bought a diesel cos it was 30quid a year to tax is going to b
h about having to pay more than this year. Oh well, better decat it and get my money's worth..
30mpg from a 4 litre V8 is not bad, but 350g/km 
k-ink said:
I agree with you 100%. I just used the latest media example of ultra selfish behaviour.
Ultra selfish behaviour? That'll be your average petrolhead, of which you seem to be one. There can't be much more selfish than being a petrolhead methinks. And a petrolhead wagging a finger at others? Hmm, ultra selfish and ultra hypocritical too, imo.
skyrover said:
Euro emissions legislation vs the real world according to a dutch study.
Diesel emissions
Petrol Engines
Interesting data, have you got a link to the source? I have a few questions I'd like to investigate (test cycle and method, age of and how many/what types of vehicles tested, so on).Diesel emissions
Petrol Engines
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