RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S: Driven
Discussion
Nick928 said:
As others have already said, why remove the rear seats?
Weight saving is minimal and removing them is just a fashionable marketing gimmick.
Clio V6 yes but in a relatively humdrum hatchback it's just pointless.
If I want two seats I'll stick with a proper two seater sports car not a family wagon!
Have you ever actually weighed seats ?Weight saving is minimal and removing them is just a fashionable marketing gimmick.
Clio V6 yes but in a relatively humdrum hatchback it's just pointless.
If I want two seats I'll stick with a proper two seater sports car not a family wagon!
BaronVonVaderham said:
It doesn't have the FWD production record because you can't buy it with the cage. Even just bolted to the floor the cage does increase rigidity.
Is this a sponsored article? It certainly reads like one.
The point the Megane is the only one you can buy in the exact spec has been made before in stories (and will be again) and the fact VW's 'record' car was caged was made in this one. Is this a sponsored article? It certainly reads like one.
And, no, it's not sponsored. I'll wheel out my stock response to this, that being the one possibility nobody seems willing to consider when calling 'conspiracy' after a positive review of ANYTHING is that the car in question might actually be quite good and hold up on merit alone. Shocking concept I realise but it's one to ponder.
For the record if a story ever is sponsored we are legally obliged to flag it as such and you can be sure I will make it very obvious were it to happen.
Cheers,
Dan
BaronVonVaderham said:
It doesn't have the FWD production record because you can't buy it with the cage. Even just bolted to the floor the cage does increase rigidity.
Is this a sponsored article? It certainly reads like one.
Odd that, normally people are keen to suggest a bolt in cage does absolutely nothing and most are more show use.Is this a sponsored article? It certainly reads like one.
FWIW record holder or not, it is clearly a damn fast car regardless of how many shopping trolley & white goods jokes you can make.
Dan Trent said:
The point the Megane is the only one you can buy in the exact spec has been made before in stories (and will be again) and the fact VW's 'record' car was caged was made in this one.
And, no, it's not sponsored. I'll wheel out my stock response to this, that being the one possibility nobody seems willing to consider when calling 'conspiracy' after a positive review of ANYTHING is that the car in question might actually be quite good and hold up on merit alone. Shocking concept I realise but it's one to ponder.
For the record if a story ever is sponsored we are legally obliged to flag it as such.
Cheers,
Dan
Thanks Dan. As the point has been made regarding the exact record car not being sold then surely the lie that it's the fastest production FWD car should not be propagated further?And, no, it's not sponsored. I'll wheel out my stock response to this, that being the one possibility nobody seems willing to consider when calling 'conspiracy' after a positive review of ANYTHING is that the car in question might actually be quite good and hold up on merit alone. Shocking concept I realise but it's one to ponder.
For the record if a story ever is sponsored we are legally obliged to flag it as such.
Cheers,
Dan
On the sponsored point, I was being a little facetious but the article does read a lot like sales gumpf rather than a review. I'm sure it's an excellent car but there isn't a single negative or area that could be improved or that one of it's competitors are superior in?
BaronVonVaderham said:
It doesn't have the FWD production record because you can't buy it with the cage. Even just bolted to the floor the cage does increase rigidity.
Is this a sponsored article? It certainly reads like one.
Bugger off BaronVonwhingepot.Is this a sponsored article? It certainly reads like one.
It's clearly a great car.
A bit sad that PH are criticised of bias whenever an article praises a car which some people think shouldn't be praised in such a way, even though said people have never driven or been anywhere remotely near one.
BaronVonVaderham said:
Thanks Dan.
No worries; if you ever want to rattle our cages the 'pah, sponsored...' line is the proven way to do it... 
It's a fair point that the honesty of claiming a 'record' is always going to be difficult given ALL of these lap times are conducted by manufacturers and not independently verified. They could be running Nox for all we know but, being realistic, I think the best we can do is accept that, look at the comparative times achieved with relatively similar equipment and each make our own judgement about which effort we most respect or are inspired by. For our part we were among the first to call out SEAT for the Leon being a long way from standard and also Honda for running the Civic with a cage and no passenger seat. And also VW for the cage in the Golf - all have been acknowledged when we've reported these stories, which is more than you'll see in many others less questioning of the line they're being fed.
And I take the point it was a fulsome evaluation of the car but - as the story made clear - it was based on four laps of the circuit the car was honed to drive on, not an independent roadtest like we'd do here in the UK. The car was presented in a favourable situation and, accordingly, performed well. But that's all there in the story, I don't think we mislead there.
Hopefully we'll get to drive one unsupervised and in the UK, at which point we can offer a more measured analysis. Having driven Clubsport I'd be very, very surprised if it turned out to be a stinker. But you never know!
Cheers,
Dan
Meridius said:
1300kg is suprisingly light for a modern car of this size. I wonder how far you could go with carbon fibre doors/boot/bonnet/roof/bumpers.
You could probably get it up to £50k if you really tried all of that and more.And then the question might well be, what was the point?
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