RE: Porsche 718 Cayman S: Review

[edo]

Carl_Manchester said:

one of the worst Porsche sports cars of recent times.

PMSL.

[Carl_Manchester]

edo said:

Carl_Manchester said:

one of the worst Porsche sports cars of recent times.

PMSL.

go on then pal, I will bite. name a worse one. on the train from the smoke to manchester so I got 3 hours and a 4 pack of kronenburg. I am ready for the comedy.

Edited by Carl_Manchester on Monday 11th July 19:50

[anonymous-user]

edo said:

PMSL.

What is truely remarkable is how the older caysters are going to be ever more revered despite detonating engines and gradual dumbing down.

Electric PAS, FI engines, more efficient cars. That's what's happening, get used to it.

If you don't like it there are many alternative options, probably more than I can remember since the 80's, most notably from Norfolk. If I was in the market for a 2 seater I'd give it a fair crack of the whip,

[FreiWild]

Carl_Manchester said:

thanks for the review Dan,.

another nail in the old Porsche coffin, well done to the management team in Stuttgart for helping to produce one of the worst Porsche sports cars of recent times.

they ripped the heart out of the car and what now? I am waiting for the tt rs to see if it's a decent steer? someone is having a laugh.

still, there is always the pictures of the gt2 mule that almost nobody will be able to buy.

I can't be arsed to look up the age after decadence but this is it.

Have you driven it? It just has a different, not worse, sound to it. It is a very, very good package.

[poing]

Best looking Cayman so far to my eyes. I'm not worried about the engine so would happily have one if I could afford it, some of the best drivers cars ever made have had 4 cylinder engines so it's hardly an issue in the real world.

[kambites]

anonymous said:

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Eh?

Lotus website said:

Participation in track day events other than competitive events or timed laps or runs will not invalidate the New Vehicle Warranty, unless the vehicle is hired to participate in such events on a commercial basis.

So racing will invalidate the warranty, but track days wont. I've never looked but I strongly suspect Porsche say much the same.

[edo]

anonymous said:

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Am I due a woosh parrot here, seriously? That's mental.

[Carl_Manchester]

FreiWild said:

Have you driven it? It just has a different, not worse, sound to it. It is a very, very good package.

Driven the Boxster 718S, it never needed to use its handling as a crutch to lean on, it does now.

Sound is like a tuned 4 pot RICER, if you like that sort of thing in a £70k car. I found myself short-shifting it like i do my 4 pot Polo and not wringing it out.

[Ozzie Osmond]

kambites said:

So racing will invalidate the warranty, but track days wont. I've never looked but I strongly suspect Porsche say much the same.

Porsche's onboard software logs driver abuse, the classic example being over-revs from botched gearchanges. The dealership can read it out if you want to make a warranty claim or trade-in for a newer car.

[kambites]

Ozzie Osmond said:

kambites said:

So racing will invalidate the warranty, but track days wont. I've never looked but I strongly suspect Porsche say much the same.

Porsche's onboard software logs driver abuse, the classic example being over-revs from botched gearchanges. The dealership can read it out if you want to make a warranty claim or trade-in for a newer car.

Indeed but that doesn't mean they don't have hard rules like "no competition use" as well.

Of course they may think it's so unlikely that anyone would try to race a bog standard Cayman within its warranty period that they don't bother. I'm quite surprised Lotus bother, really.

Edited by kambites on Monday 11th July 21:24

[MitchT]

I heard a 981 make an enthusiastic departure from my local supermarket car park a few days ago. Consequently, I could never get excited about a 718.

[kambites]

Curious, my handbook contains none of that and nor do the details of the current warranty on the Lotus website.

ETA: Ah, I was looking at the Lotus Motorsport section of the website. So using Lotus Motorsport cars for, um, Motorsport will invalidate the warranty.

Edited by kambites on Monday 11th July 21:35

[EricE]

I think £10k on extras is completely realistic for a car that has all the bits and bobs to enjoy as a "daily driver".
I went into the configurator and specced £11137 without going completely wild. Add PDK and Sport Chrono and the equipment cost is up to £14475.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PHC758H8

[kambites]

Hmm, I just specced one up and came to a little over £2k of options, of which a large chunk was the upgraded differential. There are other odds and ends that I might spec if they weren't ludicrously priced, but nothing I couldn't happily live without.

[kambites]

anonymous said:

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That was definitely one of the ones I looked at and thought "that's taking the piss".

[gm77]

anonymous said:

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[peter450]

Good news for owners of the sixes, I remember when lotus were forced to ditch the high reving yota engine for a more standard lump, the result was residuals on the late pre switch cars stayed rock solid.

Porsche sold these in bigger numbers but i still expect a more gentle slide than if Porsche had just dropped in an updated six

[PunterCam]

anonymous said:

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I agree Porsche have managed power figures for a long time, (like most manufacturers - Nissan rather messed it up with the GTR, but that's another story!),, but at least with a 3.4, or 3.6, or 3.8l engine you knew you were getting an engine producing as much power as it reasonably could for the money.. There wasn't a whole lot left in hand.. With the turbo engines you already know they're massively sandbagging - run of the mill hot hatches have the same power outputs from smaller engines.. It's different. 100hp per litre was the benchmark for n/a engines, and I think we're already seeing 200bhp/l is the new general aim for engines of this size (and these are engines in hatchbacks!)..

I know power outputs have gotten out of control, but I think whatever engine Porsche put in this car (or any porsche sports car), should've been near the edge of it's realistic output. A 1.5 turbo tuned to 300bhp with power up top? Why not?! Why a common, guy next door with his golf has the same thing engine? Hell, a highly tuned 3 cylinder! Interesting, different, that's all it takes!

But people don't care, Porsche will sell more of these than ever. A few hisses and artificial pops and bangs on a 10 minute test drive is enough to sell to people who don't know (or care) better. Who am I to disagree I suppose.

[Mr Tidy]

kambites said:

Plus the relative unpredictability of turbo-lag on a high powered bike would be downright terrifying.

But would it really - at least you might wake up from the Porsche snooze-fest!

[stuckmojo]

Another thought.

Porsche are in it for the money. It's obvious. They know their customers (and prospective customers too) better than anyone else, and are allowed to treat the with the utmost condescension.

Most of the market for petrol cars is going turbo, so are they.

If, like I believe, the future of the passenger car is electric, this is but a step in that direction. There will never be another mainstream NA Porsche. Forget it. Next, there will be electric motors and at some point they'll do away with the combustion engine altogether. The whole industry will.

The new generations of buyers won't give a st about any of this. How many boxster owners would know their car has 6 cylinders and it's naturally aspirated?

Personally, I'm not interested in this generation of Porsches at all. Up to 997.2 latest.

I'll skip this entire generation and wait for a full electric sports car (Tesla Roadster mk 2? Next Porsche?) and will keep my 996 for the nostalgia days.