RE: Porsche 718 Cayman S: Review
Discussion
The Autocar review of this car was surprisingly scathing.
I remember reading on here how some Porsche garages were concerned with the lack of interest in the new Boxster. Surely the now cheaper Cayman will have a much higher uptake?
I wonder how much market share they will lose to BMW 6-pot alternatives
I remember reading on here how some Porsche garages were concerned with the lack of interest in the new Boxster. Surely the now cheaper Cayman will have a much higher uptake?
I wonder how much market share they will lose to BMW 6-pot alternatives
swimd said:
CedricN said:
Its just so sterilized today, barely different from a golf if you aren't pushing it to the maximum..
Not surprising as they're made of the same parts. Porsche is the most profitable car manufacturer for a reason.
Re the most profitable, yes.
Ozzie Osmond said:
kambites said:
So racing will invalidate the warranty, but track days wont. I've never looked but I strongly suspect Porsche say much the same.
Porsche's onboard software logs driver abuse, the classic example being over-revs from botched gearchanges. The dealership can read it out if you want to make a warranty claim or trade-in for a newer car.Dan Trent said:
Fair point but this is a first drive, not a comparison test so I'll have to beg indulgence for concentrating on the Cayman in this instance. Not to say there isn't room to discuss rival product in that context and, you're right, the Evora 400 makes a compelling alternative. But this car as tested is just sub £70K with PCCB, fancy dampers, PTV, carbon seats, etc, etc and the Evora STARTS at £72K before options. There is an overlap there but you're talking a fully loaded Cayman versus a bare bones (all things relative) Evora.
As I say, there's much to discuss with the 718 cars so for a first drive like this we'll tend to look at the car tested in isolation. Further musing, comparison tests and the rest can follow in due course. But as I know from experience it's very easy for a story to get bogged down in comparing numbers; in this instance I wanted to really go into some detail about how this car drives.
Hope that makes some sense. And that's the tactful response to the 'blah, Porsche bias' accusation!
Speaking of which this story has been up some hours yet and nothing from Smilo996!
Cheers,
Dan
Thanks for the response Dan and makes sense. To be honest the Porsche looks to be competitively priced with all that spec in comparison to the Evora (didnt think I would ever type that!)As I say, there's much to discuss with the 718 cars so for a first drive like this we'll tend to look at the car tested in isolation. Further musing, comparison tests and the rest can follow in due course. But as I know from experience it's very easy for a story to get bogged down in comparing numbers; in this instance I wanted to really go into some detail about how this car drives.
Hope that makes some sense. And that's the tactful response to the 'blah, Porsche bias' accusation!
Speaking of which this story has been up some hours yet and nothing from Smilo996!
Cheers,
Dan
Cheers,
Hugh
HighwayStar said:
swimd said:
CedricN said:
Its just so sterilized today, barely different from a golf if you aren't pushing it to the maximum..
Not surprising as they're made of the same parts. Porsche is the most profitable car manufacturer for a reason.Re the most profitable, yes.
Porsche are kind of becoming sporty Audis
daveco said:
Porsche are kind of becoming sporty Audis
If you had done your research you would know that the bulk of Porsche sales ARE sporty VW/Audi with the Cayenne and Macan being directly related to other cars and the Panamera engines too. If Porsche can make money selling those things and subsidise the sportscars it's fine by me. Boxster/Cayman pretty much have the global mid-engined sportscar market to themselves from £40k to £70k and don't share components with anything else.
If there IS any question to be asked at the moment it's a very simple one - how does a 718 stack up against an Audi TT? Mid-engine vs 4WD.
Ozzie Osmond said:
daveco said:
Porsche are kind of becoming sporty Audis
If you had done your research you would know that the bulk of Porsche sales ARE sporty VW/Audi with the Cayenne and Macan being directly related to other cars and the Panamera engines too. If Porsche can make money selling those things and subsidise the sportscars it's fine by me. Boxster/Cayman pretty much have the global mid-engined sportscar market to themselves from £40k to £70k and don't share components with anything else.
If there IS any question to be asked at the moment it's a very simple one - how does a 718 stack up against an Audi TT? Mid-engine vs 4WD.
The 718 v TT RS is going to be interesting. IF Audi have finally got it right with that car it could in some ways cause Porsche some headscratching... I say in someway because word is there will only be 150/yr hitting the UK. The other thing is price... Audi have moved the TT up marked price wise. The guys on the TT forum were not happy about the TTS launch price and many did say you might as well buy a Cayster. The TT RS is going to be pricey. If you've already had a Cayster 4WD probably won't swing it for you. If you're new in at that price point i can hear the Audi guy saying Quattro is amazing, faster everywhere blah blah...
anonymous said:
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Maybe it was as you say, I'll happily admit I don't know enough to argue the case but... Today, It's certainly the SUV's that generate the bulk of Porsche profits. You only have to look at the Cayenne & Macan sales v sales of everything else. That's where the fun money comes from.The sceptics will be excited to learn that Boxster/Cayman really ARE built at a VW factory, NOT at the sanctified Porsche factory in Zuffenhausen. 
Of the 225,000 cars produced by Porsche last year very roughly,
Lotus builds about 2,000 cars a year and Morgan about 500.
Of the 225,000 cars produced by Porsche last year very roughly,
- 80,000 Macans
- 75,000 Cayennes
- 10,000 Panameras
- 30,000 911s
- 30,000 Boxster/Cayman
Lotus builds about 2,000 cars a year and Morgan about 500.
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