The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)

[Leins]

anonymous said:

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Actually not sure, do they look a little more heavily bolstered here?

[Diesel Meister]

4941cc said:

As was the car it was based on, the 850CSi - which was only ever manual. Fun fact: It was the first car with a six speed manual V12 offered to the global market, narrowly beating the 456 GT and F50 to market.

The vanilla 850i was also offered with a manual 'box initially, but very few people chose it.

Other than that, the only other BMW V12 plus manual 'box combination that I can think of is in the McLaren F1.

I recall the 850CSi being spanish only, just wasn't sure that each B12 was originally a CSI. Epic bearding on the manual with 12. I'd love a Spanish box in a V12 coupe / sedan.

[Leins]

Diesel Meister said:

I recall the 850CSi being spanish only, just wasn't sure that each B12 was originally a CSI. Epic bearding on the manual with 12. I'd love a Spanish box in a V12 coupe / sedan.

Only the 5.7 B12s were CSi based IIRC, the 5.0 B12s were from the 850i. Not sure what happened when the 5.4 850Ci appeared though, E24Man might know

Also, Racing Dynamics created a few K55 E31s too, but I've no idea if they were all autos or used the CSi box like the Compact did

[ATM]

Diesel Meister said:

I recall the 850CSi being spanish only.

Me too

[Cheburator mk2]

ATM said:

Diesel Meister said:

I recall the 850CSi being spanish only.

Me too

Definitely 6-spd only. Still have the original sales brochure somewhere.

[13aines]

I want a good petrol E46 330 M-Sport coupe with less than 80k miles, but I am beginning to feel I have missed the boat.

I keep getting tempted by petrol M-Sport E60 530s instead as they seem better value for money and have aged just as well IMHO.

However this weeks thoughts are a petrol E90 330 M-Sport touring instead, but a coupe or saloon would be fine. I'd quite quickly fit the LCI i-drive I think.

I do about 24k a year and would be looking to keep whatever I end up with for several years, so I'd be looking for something with half sensible mileage such that it wasn't on near 200k by the time I try to move it on. Currently drive a (very dull but utterly dependable) 1.8 petrol manual Mondeo and can see the advantages of an auto with all of the motorway mileage I do, however I have a nagging feeling that a 3 litre E46/E90 should be of a manual variant. E60 530 on the other hand probably an auto.

Thoughts?

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

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It's only light for circa 12 hours a day?

[ferrisbueller]

13aines said:

I want a good petrol E46 330 M-Sport coupe with less than 80k miles, but I am beginning to feel I have missed the boat.

I keep getting tempted by petrol M-Sport E60 530s instead as they seem better value for money and have aged just as well IMHO.

However this weeks thoughts are a petrol E90 330 M-Sport touring instead, but a coupe or saloon would be fine. I'd quite quickly fit the LCI i-drive I think.

I do about 24k a year and would be looking to keep whatever I end up with for several years, so I'd be looking for something with half sensible mileage such that it wasn't on near 200k by the time I try to move it on. Currently drive a (very dull but utterly dependable) 1.8 petrol manual Mondeo and can see the advantages of an auto with all of the motorway mileage I do, however I have a nagging feeling that a 3 litre E46/E90 should be of a manual variant. E60 530 on the other hand probably an auto.

Thoughts?

IMO an E90 is a significant step forward vs E46.

As discussed numerous times, manual E91 330is are not common. Decent E90s are also becoming scarcer.

Limited experience of E60s but I'd question whether I needed the bigger, heavier car.

[barchetta_boy]

anonymous said:

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You can still buy the old ones

[Diesel Meister]

WTF is that monstrosity?!

[ATM]

barchetta_boy said:

anonymous said:

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You can still buy the old ones

Its braaarn?

[Diesel Meister]

anonymous said:

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On a more serious note, I don't like it. I am sure it will be well engineered and acceptably screwed together but I also expect (to paraphrase braddo) that it will prove less characterful, more refined and more startlingly complex than what went before. Progress is a wonderful thing....

[E24man]

Leins said:

Diesel Meister said:

I recall the 850CSi being spanish only, just wasn't sure that each B12 was originally a CSI. Epic bearding on the manual with 12. I'd love a Spanish box in a V12 coupe / sedan.

Only the 5.7 B12s were CSi based IIRC, the 5.0 B12s were from the 850i. Not sure what happened when the 5.4 850Ci appeared though, E24Man might know

Also, Racing Dynamics created a few K55 E31s too, but I've no idea if they were all autos or used the CSi box like the Compact did

Absolutely correct about not every B12 5.7 Coupe being based on a 850CSi. The first 10 or so have 850i original chassis numbers as BMW couldn't spare any 850CSi chassis's to Alpina in the timescale needed, so Alpina parts-binned the 850i's up to 850CSi spec before then dropping the Alpina goodies in. The chief, and probably only difference between the 850i based B12 5.7's and the 850CSi based B12 5.7's is the lack of rear wheel steer on the former.

The B12 5.7 Coupes were all manual gearboxes, unlike the B12 5.0 Coupes, but whereas some B12 5.7's were a standard 3 pedal manual, some had the two pedal Shift-Tronic automatic clutch system. Apparently glorious when it worked but rendered the vehicle an immobile ornament when it gave up, but apparently some Shift-Tronic cars have since been converted to three pedal manual.

All of the B12 5.0 Coupes were based on 850i automatics and should have been 4-speed automatic cars but, iirc, one was a manual car as it was Alpina's test car for the 5.7 engine.

All the B12 5.7 cars were built in Buchloe as were all the lhd B12 5.0 cars, but the rhd B12 5.0 cars were conversions carried out by Sytner.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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I don't like to judge people based on what they drive, but you'd have to be a right to want to drive around in that

[ferrisbueller]

Boom!

[Chris Stott]

anonymous said:

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That is goping

[Rocket.]

anonymous said:

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It's better looking than the new Disco ?

[s m]

Leins said:

anonymous said:

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Actually not sure, do they look a little more heavily bolstered here?

I always thought the twin dash pods were more intriguing on the Compact

Edited by s m on Wednesday 15th November 18:20

[s m]

anonymous said:

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Actually it did in those photos, reason being was that at the time of that being demo'd to the press, the posh interior hadn't been fitted ( according to Sr. Pavoncelli )

[Chris Stott]

Rocket. said:

It's better looking than the new Disco ?

That's akin to asking if you'd rather bum you're mum or your dad.