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Chris Stott said:
Aesthetically, that's just about perfect.
You can buy "backdate" kits for anything pre-996 to recreate the look. However, you're probably going to have to cut into something worth £40k+ to get the desired effect. Imagine the outcry as a perfectly nice 964 is subjected to the gas axe! Stephens, Rennsport and others are doing it with the finished result being £100k + (There are second hand examples around for a bit less).Haven't seen such a kit for a 996, yet.
ferrisbueller said:
You can buy "backdate" kits for anything pre-996 to recreate the look. However, you're probably going to have to cut into something worth £40k+ to get the desired effect. Imagine the outcry as a perfectly nice 964 is subjected to the gas axe! Stephens, Rennsport and others are doing it with the finished result being £100k + (There are second hand examples around for a bit less).
Haven't seen such a kit for a 996, yet.
I knew the 964 can be (a la Singer), but didn't know a 993 could be backdated to a long nose. 996 has different body architecture and can't be backdated...Haven't seen such a kit for a 996, yet.
Personally, money no object, I'd have a 964 backdated to long nose ST spec. Gives you the opportunity to retain power steering, ABS and AC.
The silver car above looks decent value, even with the engine included.... but depends on how well it's been done and what the condition is like. You can easily pay 150k for something like that.
Edit... read the silver car ad in more detail... there's 10s of thousands needed to sort that out properly... and if you don't sort it properly, it will just disintegrate around you over the next few years.
Edited by Chris Stott on Monday 2nd July 16:48
Chris Stott said:
ferrisbueller said:
You can buy "backdate" kits for anything pre-996 to recreate the look. However, you're probably going to have to cut into something worth £40k+ to get the desired effect. Imagine the outcry as a perfectly nice 964 is subjected to the gas axe! Stephens, Rennsport and others are doing it with the finished result being £100k + (There are second hand examples around for a bit less).
Haven't seen such a kit for a 996, yet.
I knew the 964 can be (a la Singer), but didn't know a 993 could be backdated to a long nose. 996 has different body architecture and can't be backdated...Haven't seen such a kit for a 996, yet.
Personally, money no object, I'd have a 964 backdated to long nose ST spec. Gives you the opportunity to retain power steering, ABS and AC.
The silver car above looks decent value, even with the engine included.... but depends on how well it's been done and what the condition is like. You can easily pay 150k for something like that.
Edit... read the silver car ad in more detail... there's 10s of thousands needed to sort that out properly... and if you don't sort it properly, it will just disintegrate around you over the next few years.
L100NYY said:
As lovely (and they really, really are) as these back dated cars are...... I'd sooner have a 964 to subtle RS spec now I think.
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964 RS spec I mean, rather than a backdated car.
I drove a 964RS many, many years ago and didn't come away particularly smitten... thought it felt too stiff and heavy on the road... I know it's not a heavy car, but lack of power steering made it feel heavy to drive. Would love to have another go and in one.eta
964 RS spec I mean, rather than a backdated car.
964's are the best looking 911 of all time after the long noses IMO.
L100NYY said:
As lovely (and they really, really are) as these back dated cars are...... I'd sooner have a 964 to subtle RS spec now I think.
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964 RS spec I mean, rather than a backdated car.
It's an interesting thought (to me at least). You're into spending, apparently, £100k to achieve an aesthetic. It appears a reasonable 964 is £40k. It drives the same, but doesn't look the same. You're not far off a 964 plus a GT3. Is there a big demand for such things? The number of businesses offering them suggests there is but I can't imagine volumes are high. Mind, £120k retail based off a £40k base car leaves plenty of margin IMO.eta
964 RS spec I mean, rather than a backdated car.
I think a 964 only really works as a donor if you're going down the Singer route... 40k for a donor car is sort of pocket change when you're final bill is going to be £700k.
Most of the resto mods I see seem to be based on 80's carrera's... and they were done when prices of a rusty base car was in the teens.
I don't see how backdating works today unless you already own the base car and bought it prior to the market going bats
tcrazy.
Most of the resto mods I see seem to be based on 80's carrera's... and they were done when prices of a rusty base car was in the teens.
I don't see how backdating works today unless you already own the base car and bought it prior to the market going bats
tcrazy.I could make it work if you're selling at £120k.
Question is, how much appetite is there for such things. An original car is a) going to be expensive b) not going to be issue free.
If £120 minus the cost in a) leaves you with a value for b) you're happy with paying then I guess it works.
I've never seen a backdated car anywhere outside of a showroom or sales stand.
Question is, how much appetite is there for such things. An original car is a) going to be expensive b) not going to be issue free.
If £120 minus the cost in a) leaves you with a value for b) you're happy with paying then I guess it works.
I've never seen a backdated car anywhere outside of a showroom or sales stand.
I do have a soft spot for back dates, but some of the ones I've seen haven't looked all that great. The one I posted looks pretty much spot on to me, and seems good value compared the Singer. Although I'm sure th Singer would retain more of it's value if/when you wanted to move it on down the line.
I've not seen any 996 back dates, and I think that's probably for the best! Although there is a company that have done some renderings of a back date 997, it doesn't look too bad, but I think I'd rather lean towards the CSR route
I've not seen any 996 back dates, and I think that's probably for the best! Although there is a company that have done some renderings of a back date 997, it doesn't look too bad, but I think I'd rather lean towards the CSR route
Talking of 911s, I got thrown the keys of a convertible tiptronic 996 Carrera at the weekend. I wasn’t expecting to like it but Gearbox aside it was an absolute hoot. I’d never previously looked at convertibles and I thought I didn’t really like 996s - but it turns out they’re pretty damn fine cars...
Still sensible money to get into a 996/7 too rather than throwing six figures at restomod backdate mix-up.
Still sensible money to get into a 996/7 too rather than throwing six figures at restomod backdate mix-up.
These guys build some lovely back dates too www.thersrproject.com, his builds are on instagram (@rsrproject). Another person worth a follow on there is @omgjon1 if you like Ferrari Dinos and early 911, and who here doesn't like those? 
A manual coupe is a great steer, people have started to realise how good they actually are over the past few years. When I bought mine I said if I had to sell it to move house I wouldn't be worried. It's not going any where now!
rejn said:
Talking of 911s, I got thrown the keys of a convertible tiptronic 996 Carrera at the weekend. I wasn’t expecting to like it but Gearbox aside it was an absolute hoot. I’d never previously looked at convertibles and I thought I didn’t really like 996s - but it turns out they’re pretty damn fine cars...
Still sensible money to get into a 996/7 too rather than throwing six figures at restomod backdate mix-up.
I think that's the worst combo as well Still sensible money to get into a 996/7 too rather than throwing six figures at restomod backdate mix-up.
A manual coupe is a great steer, people have started to realise how good they actually are over the past few years. When I bought mine I said if I had to sell it to move house I wouldn't be worried. It's not going any where now!
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