The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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Chris Stott said:
Never driven an RS1600, but I had a mk2 Sport followed by a mk2 Mexico when I was in my late teens, and both were fabulous to drive (though both were far from stock)... light agile, brilliant throttle response, fabulous gearbox and plenty sideways 
Can only imagine the RS would be even better.
How much ££ would you have to have to get that, what will probably be a £100k plus car, and grab it by it's scruff and chuck it down lanes in the way its maker intended?Can only imagine the RS would be even better.
But as a lovely thing to coo over, yes rort mcrorty although the seat does looks a touch baggy.
Martin350 said:
I've owned a fairly extensively modified Mk2, for which I paid £795, and have driven Mk1s, and I agree they are fab.
Just, for me, absolutely nowhere near £60k fab!
Paid £1100 for my Mexico, and it’s still one of the best cars I ever owned. But agree, 60k is ridiculous, just like 100k plus is ridiculous for an early 911! Just, for me, absolutely nowhere near £60k fab!
Martin350 said:
Is it just me but, as nice as it is and a bit of fun, £60-70k for an Escort that really isn't that special to drive is utterly ridiculous..? 
Just think of what exotic stuff you could get for that sort of money!
But if you've already got the exotic stuff, and are of a certain age who longed to own an RS1600 when they had just learned to drive ...Just think of what exotic stuff you could get for that sort of money!
This time last week I was piloting this, which may have re-ignited my desire for old Fords.
jeremyc said:
Martin350 said:
Is it just me but, as nice as it is and a bit of fun, £60-70k for an Escort that really isn't that special to drive is utterly ridiculous..?
Just think of what exotic stuff you could get for that sort of money!
But if you've already got the exotic stuff, and are of a certain age who longed to own an RS1600 when they had just learned to drive ...Just think of what exotic stuff you could get for that sort of money!
This time last week I was piloting this, which may have re-ignited my desire for old Fords.
anonymous said:
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Haha. That’s funny. You weren’t in a 986(?) Boxster were you?
I’m still learning the Mondial (and yes, it’s a T) - it’s a tricky car to drive - I’ve only done 120 Miles so far. When it’s cold the gearbox is notchy and changing out of first it’s easy to end up with no gears!! But once it’s warm and on an open A Road it really comes alive. Steering is awesome. Driving position weird. Gearbox needs a good shove - delicate gear changes just don’t work. Heel and toe is unorthodox. (I’m used to lotus Elise and Caterham so used to using two sides of one foot but in the Ferrari there’s more space between pedals, and the accelerator is closer to me than the brake which feels weird). Engine is mixed. Feels powerful and torquey low down - well up to 5k revs I guess - and I was kind of hoping it would fly beyond that point but it doesn’t. It goes ok and makes a good noise but doesn’t have a great top end like a screaming f355 does. But then it was made in 1990 I guess... having said that, on the fairly empty stretch of M4 near Bristol this morning it seemed to have plenty of go. A quick glance at the speedo had me backing off pretty quickly...
Oh and visibility and practicality is awesome. Proper 4 seater. Very airy in the cabin with almost no blind spots. Two big boots.
Overall I’m getting to know it still but despite the oddities it’s clearly an amazing car. Definitely far far better than a number of reviews would have you believe. I’m looking forward to racking up a few miles this weekend.
rejn said:
Feels powerful and torquey low down - well up to 5k revs I guess - and I was kind of hoping it would fly beyond that point but it doesn’t. It goes ok and makes a good noise but doesn’t have a great top end like a screaming f355 does. But then it was made in 1990 I guess...
Doesn't seem right. I'd imagine it to be more old school "cammy" and need the revs to do its thing. Peak power isn't until somewhere around 7k rpm and as QV it should be happy to be up there. Perhaps not breathing properly? I know you've just had the belts done, did they dial it in, too?
ATM said:
Series running on YouTube I've just been alerted too which is well worth watching -
Watch "Gordon Murray's MK1 Escort - Retropower Build Episode 1" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/nSiG7oNXC6w
Gordon Murray clearly loves the mk1.Watch "Gordon Murray's MK1 Escort - Retropower Build Episode 1" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/nSiG7oNXC6w
ATM said:
ATM said:
Series running on YouTube I've just been alerted too which is well worth watching -
Watch "Gordon Murray's MK1 Escort - Retropower Build Episode 1" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/nSiG7oNXC6w
Gordon Murray clearly loves the mk1.Watch "Gordon Murray's MK1 Escort - Retropower Build Episode 1" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/nSiG7oNXC6w
They've done some great cars if you like retro stuff
Dunno if any of you lot followed the RM Auction in Montherey...
The end is nigh - well, not quite - but cars are returning slowly but surely to being a method of transportation and not investment instruments anymore.
Although it makes convincing Lady Cheb that I am merely “investing” more difficult, I also find it liberating...
Thoughts?
The end is nigh - well, not quite - but cars are returning slowly but surely to being a method of transportation and not investment instruments anymore.
Although it makes convincing Lady Cheb that I am merely “investing” more difficult, I also find it liberating...
Thoughts?
anonymous said:
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250GTO that won the Targa Florio outright for Ferrari twice and also the GT Championship making $48m with fees. Estimate was $45m-55m. That car also benefits from never been crashed... Super low mileage and superb provenance 288GTO not even selling with a $1.2m starting estimate.
Lots of other amazing stuff...
Have a gander yourself - tons and tons of lovely metal, with quite a few “Still for sale”...
Not saying the World is about to end tonight. But definitely not feeling the love in my humble and amateurish opinion. Stuff is selling, but not for massive “overs” and only the really excellent cars are going through...
The full results aren't on their site yet. 25 of 150 "still for sale".
The market cooled a bit over 12 months ago IMO. However, good examples are still selling and plenty of folk with money are still investing in cars. It will take a significantly greater shift in interest rates and tax rules to make a dent IMHO.
The market cooled a bit over 12 months ago IMO. However, good examples are still selling and plenty of folk with money are still investing in cars. It will take a significantly greater shift in interest rates and tax rules to make a dent IMHO.
250 is a truly unique car, and the super duper rich will always pay top dollar for such gems.
It’s the middle ground that will get hurt 1st if the markets goes cold... the 250-million pound or so stuff. The merely rich who can’t afford to lose that sort of cash will get cold feet.
Personally, I think the signs are there. There’s so much choice at that sort of price, and the economic/political climate isn’t golden.
It’s the middle ground that will get hurt 1st if the markets goes cold... the 250-million pound or so stuff. The merely rich who can’t afford to lose that sort of cash will get cold feet.
Personally, I think the signs are there. There’s so much choice at that sort of price, and the economic/political climate isn’t golden.
Chris Stott said:
250 is a truly unique car, and the super duper rich will always pay top dollar for such gems.
It’s the middle ground that will get hurt 1st if the markets goes cold... the 250-million pound or so stuff. The merely rich who can’t afford to lose that sort of cash will get cold feet.
Personally, I think the signs are there. There’s so much choice at that sort of price, and the economic/political climate isn’t golden.
There are a lot of people with that kind of money and that number is increasing rather quickly. And once you get up there you're talking globally, at which point there are even more. I know people who are still buying in to six-figure Testarossas that were £30k five years ago. They can afford to get burnt but they're not the kind of people who do.It’s the middle ground that will get hurt 1st if the markets goes cold... the 250-million pound or so stuff. The merely rich who can’t afford to lose that sort of cash will get cold feet.
Personally, I think the signs are there. There’s so much choice at that sort of price, and the economic/political climate isn’t golden.
ETA. If these people suddenly decided to have a fire sale and liquidate their assets, what are they going to invest in instead? They already have stocks/shares, properties, art etc.
Edited by ferrisbueller on Sunday 26th August 21:29
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